Truth and Vision

[Full Quiver]

Oletimer, you mentioned that TCoG was different than all denominational churches because of truth and vision.

How so?

Please lay out TCoG's vision for accomplishing the work of the church, preaching the Gospel, etc.

[oletimer]

oletimer

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ImaPK Posted:

Ok RR you answered me in blue but you gave no quantifiers.(my bad on the 1943, I knew it was 1923 just got in a hurry )Give me the same scriptures that I've heard all my life that "proves" that first, COG, then COGOP, and now TCOG is the "chosen Church. The Mormans believe the same thing as does the Church of Christ and several independents. I may sound simplistic but IMHO all a denomination is, is like minded believers "preaching and teaching what they believe" to be the "gospel"(and yes, I used a lower case g) A "famous man" once told me that to be a Christian was easy. All you had to do "was follow the Ten Commandments and read the scriptures written in red." You get all you need to know that way. Simple and uncomplicated.

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The Mormans believe the same thing as does the Church of Christ and several independents.
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Do you mean that they believe and teach what they blieve to be true, or they believe the same doctrine?

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A "famous man" once told me that to be a Christian was easy. All you had to do "was follow the Ten Commandments and read the scriptures written in red." You get all you need to know that way. Simple and uncomplicated.

A "famous man" fed you a lie though it may sound good but there is a lot more in the bible then those parts. The rest of the bible is more then just a few history books, it contains instructions and sheads light on those "Words in Red".

If the Church isn't important then why did Christ die for her, (shead His blood)? The different between the Church and denomination is "Truth" and "vision". Truth is the Word and Vision is the destiny. She has been giving LEADERSHIP and AUTHORITY, something that can't happen with everyone doing their own thing.
I don't know all the ins and outs now, but that She will shine forth in "that day".
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God Bless

As usual you have a problem keeping your facts streight. As the above is the real post from the doctrine section.

Your post in a doctrine post and I think such be in the doctrine section.

[Full Quiver]

If the Church isn't important then why did Christ die for her, (shead His blood)? The different between the Church and denomination is "Truth" and "vision". Truth is the Word and Vision is the destiny. She has been giving LEADERSHIP and AUTHORITY, something that can't happen with everyone doing their own thing.

Oletimer, you mentioned that TCoG was different than all denominational churches because of truth and vision.

How so?

Please lay out TCoG's vision for accomplishing the work of the church, preaching the Gospel, etc.


You said "the Church" and we know you mean TCoG. You said denomination and we know you mean the rest of us.

[oletimer]

Danny I think that Paul does good job in his writings to the Ephesians in the forth chapter. Do your self a favor and read each verse real slow and let it soak in.

Eph 4:1
¶ I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called,
Eph 4:2
¶ With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;
Eph 4:3
Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.
Eph 4:4
There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
Eph 4:5
One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
Eph 4:6
One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
Eph 4:7
But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
Eph 4:8
Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
Eph 4:9
(Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
Eph 4:10
He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
Eph 4:11
And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
Eph 4:12
For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
Eph 4:13
Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
Eph 4:14
That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
Eph 4:15
But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
Eph 4:16
From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.
Eph 4:17
¶ This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind,
Eph 4:18
Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:
Eph 4:19
Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.
Eph 4:20
But ye have not so learned Christ;
Eph 4:21
If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:
Eph 4:22
That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
Eph 4:23
And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
Eph 4:24
And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
Eph 4:25
Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another.
Eph 4:26
Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:
Eph 4:27
Neither give place to the devil.
Eph 4:28
Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.
Eph 4:29
Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
Eph 4:30
And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Eph 4:31
Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:
Eph 4:32
And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

[macgulley]

Oletimer,
I think you only encourage Full Quiver by taking his bait. It wouldn't be nearly as much fun for him if his posts went unanswered.
Just my $.02.

p.s. I've found my signature lines to be true.

[Full Quiver]

Do your self a favor and read each verse real slow and let it soak in.

sarcasm or arrogance?

Macgulley, are you TCoG?

[rough_rider]

Oletimer, you mentioned that TCoG was different than all denominational churches because of truth and vision.

The CoGoP use to say the very same thing.