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Who would you support if the election was right now

Barak Obama
2
5%
Sarah Palin
19
51%
Mitt Romney
3
8%
Huckabee
12
32%
David Petraues
0
No votes
Hilary clinton
1
3%
Bobby Jindal
0
No votes
 
Total votes: 37

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Postby Brian » October 5th, 2009, 6:05 pm

dawgs10 wrote:dont understand why anyone would want palin!!!! there is no way she would be elected.


Because she is awesome that's why!

I simply despise the notion that if the republican's would only be more inclusive and accepting of a more mainstream ideology then they would fair better at the polls. Oh, so they want republican's to wear the face of a democrat? I see.
Thats not gonna happen brother, or I should say it shouldn't happen. I read an article not long ago that said something to this effect, that if republican's want to be viable in these coming years they needed to open up to the gay and lesbian communities, be more open to choice, and stop hiding behind the second amendment, then they might have a fighting chance. So in other words, be a democrat and then you'll get the votes. BULL!! I think that is a terrible idea! The ol' if you can't beat 'em join 'em. Not me my brotha, not me!!!!
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Postby Brian » October 5th, 2009, 6:12 pm

I know this is an open forum and all, democracy in posting, freedom of ideas and yadda yadda but seriously? Barak Obama? BARAK freaking OBAMA!????? and Hilary? What in the HECK is going on here? :? :shock: :cry:
This is truly TRULY sad. I am sorry. Barak Obama does not deserve the support of a born again God fearing christian! Maybe Bush didn't either, maybe neither does Palin but OBAMA!? Are you serious!!!!!!???????
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Postby Pastor Gary » October 6th, 2009, 12:07 am

If you think Palin is electable, you live in a hyper-conservative, ultra-right-wing bubble. Although I like her, personally, and would probably enjoy meeting her, she has no chance of getting elected. The left-wing, Palin-hating media will absolutely destroy her and SNL and Jon Stewart will guarantee she gets less than 5% of the youth vote.

Not happening. She is, let's face it, an intellectual light-weight.

That's the problem... Republicans tend to vote for people they think are "good" and the undecideds vote for who they think is SMART.
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Postby dawgs10 » October 6th, 2009, 1:34 am

i have never voted for a dem. may never vote for a dem. looking for a good alternative.

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Re: Palin

Postby MacUser » October 6th, 2009, 3:32 am

Pastor Gary wrote:If you think Palin is electable, you live in a hyper-conservative, ultra-right-wing bubble... Not happening. She is, let's face it, an intellectual light-weight.

That's the problem... Republicans tend to vote for people they think are "good" and the undecideds vote for who they think is SMART.



Another example of a media driven opinion. Time to turn off the TV PG and think for yourself. :roll:

The left wing is rejecting everything conservative and christian. I guess it's over for all of us lightweights :roll:




Btw... the young crowd is such a STRONG voting block. Comedy via SNL is now attacking OBAMA. Watch here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEZFBozWg8E
( Ha.. Youtube REMOVED It )

But never fear.. watch it here:
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/ ... 89602.aspx
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Re: Palin

Postby dawgs10 » October 6th, 2009, 3:46 am

Pastor Gary wrote:If you think Palin is electable, you live in a hyper-conservative, ultra-right-wing bubble. Although I like her, personally, and would probably enjoy meeting her, she has no chance of getting elected. The left-wing, Palin-hating media will absolutely destroy her and SNL and Jon Stewart will guarantee she gets less than 5% of the youth vote.

Not happening. She is, let's face it, an intellectual light-weight.

That's the problem... Republicans tend to vote for people they think are "good" and the undecideds vote for who they think is SMART.


thats why the republicans need to find someone that is thoughtfull. i agree totaly with this post.

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Re: Palin

Postby one love » October 6th, 2009, 3:51 am

Pastor Gary wrote:If you think Palin is electable, you live in a hyper-conservative, ultra-right-wing bubble. Although I like her, personally, and would probably enjoy meeting her, she has no chance of getting elected. The left-wing, Palin-hating media will absolutely destroy her and SNL and Jon Stewart will guarantee she gets less than 5% of the youth vote.

Not happening. She is, let's face it, an intellectual light-weight.

That's the problem... Republicans tend to vote for people they think are "good" and the undecideds vote for who they think is SMART.



PG this is very true i have been saying this to people for a while.

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Postby MacUser » October 6th, 2009, 4:01 am

Exactly. Remember this guy is the intellectual giant. The thinker... that does nothing (according to SNL)... and you think this guy is going to be hard to beat?

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Postby dolfan » October 6th, 2009, 4:28 am

Smart is also in the eye of the beholder. Obama is "book smart", as they say, but he has no real leadership sense and when it comes to judging what is best for America, he's bereft of all sense OR he's against America.
A large amount of people will vote for president based on a perception of being "book smart" if he's also propped up by enough people who, themselves are "book smart" and media-smart. That's the left wing, in general.

There's another kind of smart. It's "classic liberty smart", and those are the limited government types like Ronald Reagan. Personally, I don't think there's anything close to a Reagan in Washington today. Republicans quote Reagan, invoke Reagan, tie themselves to Reagan, but continually support the growth of government in scope and size. Oh, they do some lip service to small government, but that's all it is. That type of Republican is deemed "moderate" or "pragmatist". Reagan was deemed to be a lunatic, dangerous and also to be the greatest president of the century and the great communicator. He was seen by those who loved him as being smart about small government, smart about national defense. Even then, he was rather unique; today, he's an archive of wit and quotables and not much more. To me, Ron Paul is the only one who comes close. He's different, though, and would have us far less involved in international squabbles. That is a problem, I admit; I'm not confident we'd have a strong defense with Ron Paul. Maybe, but I'm not assured.

Then, there's the kind of smart that Republicans vote for. It's possibly the worst kind of smart, more akin to cleverness than "smartness". It consists of acting one way for the crowd to win its approval and then to betray their perceptions after approval is won. It is what George W. Bush did, using the term "compassionate conservative", which anyone of us should've known was code for big government. But, we want to believe, and we did. He turned on us, quickly, and never really looked back. With the dust of history settling just a little bit, I can see that now where maybe I couldn't or wouldn't before. He grew government at an unprecedented pace, expanded executive power to unknown heights, and he talked about conservative values and used the mannerisms and language of the average working person. It was clever. We thought it was smart; and maybe in some ways it was a kind of smart, but the kind of smart it was was way too close to the Obama kind of smart for me to feel nostalgic about it now.

It is that cleverness that scares me about all the ones on the list, except for Sarah Palin. To the person (excluding Hillary and Obama because they're Democrats), each of those listed is really a big government Republican OR in the case of Bobby Jindal, too unknown to say he's the guy to support. They may all (exc. Palin and Jindal) be better alternatives to Obama or Hillary, but only in the way that carbon monoxide poisoning is a better way to die than being eaten alive by 100 hungry chihuahuas.

As to Sarah Palin, I don't think she's "book smart", and I'm not convinced she's clever, either. She may be developing cleverness, and is most likely being "handled" into it, but I think at her core, she's much truer to a Reagan-like view of America than anyone else in the game. She may be, in fact, the only one who even actually considers Reagan's views as having any merit to them. She may be the only one who actually thinks as Reagan thought in terms of government vs. the individual; she may be getting too much advice from those very clever Republican hands, though, in expressing that. That's what worries me most about her. So, while I think she's extremely attractive as a libertarian-minded person, I also fear that she may wind up as a willing accomplice or an unwitting one -- either is unfortunate -- to her own handling and packaging. Sort of GIGO thing, she could wind up as just another clever candidate if not a successful one.

I can't say about Jindal one way or another. Don't know enough about him. If I wind up surprise, it'll have to be a pleasant one because I will presume that he's like the rest of 'em (clever, big government) until he shows otherwise.
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Re: Palin

Postby Brian » October 6th, 2009, 4:58 am

Pastor Gary wrote:If you think Palin is electable, you live in a hyper-conservative, ultra-right-wing bubble. Although I like her, personally, and would probably enjoy meeting her, she has no chance of getting elected. The left-wing, Palin-hating media will absolutely destroy her and SNL and Jon Stewart will guarantee she gets less than 5% of the youth vote.

Not happening. She is, let's face it, an intellectual light-weight.

That's the problem... Republicans tend to vote for people they think are "good" and the undecideds vote for who they think is SMART.


Hey PG, I suffer no delusion as far as Palin's electability(is that a word?) is concerned. :wink: I agree that she probably wouldn't get elected but I think it may be closer than a landslide for the dems. The question was "Who would you support if the election was right now", not who do you think would win. :)
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Postby rjjunior » October 6th, 2009, 8:07 am

Of those listed, I voted for Palin, though the electability question is legit. Two that should be on the list are:
Newt Gingrich
Tim Pawlenty

Don't like them as much, but both at this point are more electable than Palin.

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Postby MacUser » October 6th, 2009, 8:38 am

dolfan wrote:Smart is also in the eye of the beholder. Obama is "book smart", as they say, but he has no real leadership sense and when it comes to judging what is best for America, he's bereft of all sense OR he's against America.


I'm glad you prefaced that "as they say" because it's completely generated. His educational records are SEALED. The man is a walking puppet... and will read anything on his TelePrompTer. His first year has been a disaster as shown in the SNL skit above and he has both the House and Senate under the control of HIS party.

Of all the unknowns.. the one thing we do know is that he is a radical liberal with an unconstrained vision. If that qualifies as an intellectual then they can have the title:

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dolfan wrote:As to Sarah Palin, I don't think she's "book smart", and I'm not convinced she's clever, either. She may be developing cleverness, and is most likely being "handled" into it, but I think at her core, she's much truer to a Reagan-like view of America than anyone else in the game.


These are all subjective perspectives that really carry no decisive answers.

Seriously... I believe she could be EFFECTIVE (regardless of the media generated battlefields she must cross) in issues and values that matter to me. The best proof is that she can survive and is extremely intelligent in her ability to control the debate. Sara has continued to garner real people support amidst intense blitz of incorrect political to personal attacks ( via simple means as FACEBOOK without the Presidential Pulpit - ROGUE title again? ). She has continued to be able to hit back large and hard at her most vocal critics. ( Letterman example - Obama Healthcare debate example ) Wow.

What she said is responded to because what she represents scares the left silly. She's able to take extreme abuse and still gather thousands at one stop.

Nobody comes close.
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Postby dolfan » October 6th, 2009, 9:03 am

rjjunior wrote:Of those listed, I voted for Palin, though the electability question is legit. Two that should be on the list are:
Newt Gingrich
Tim Pawlenty

Don't like them as much, but both at this point are more electable than Palin.


1. I have always liked Newt Gingrich. Newt Gingrich will never be president. He doesn't want the job, frankly. Newt is a thinker above all. He rallied the 1994 Republican revolution, so-called, but he was unable to sustain its principles in practice. Guys who ran in 1994 and voiced support for term limits and the Contract with America rode Newt's crest to office and then became settled establishment types who kept running and running and running. That says this about Newt: He left and hasn't looked back. Probably true to himself and his own personality, he does what he loves, and that is to talk, write and debate. That has a value and he is as good with it as anyone can be. If he wanted to be president, he could have run in 2008 when he was more needed than at any time prior thereto, when there was a talent drought (one that remains) among Republicans.

Newt said, rightly, in April, that everything we saw Obama doing then, W. started. He predicted a third party movement in 2012 if Republicans can't "break out of being the right wing party of big government." What he didn't say then was that such a move would fall flat and re-elect Obama, which is certain. I'd rather see a replacement of the Republicans than precisely a third-party competitor, although I think you have to start with one to get to the other.

2. Tim Pawlenty: Favors REAL ID. It's bad law. I don't know much about him, though. He seems to be the flavor of the week. Name one other leader from Minnesota who you'd like to have run America. I can't think of one.
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Postby MacUser » October 6th, 2009, 9:49 am

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Newt is interested to much in partnering photo OPS with well know liberal tax cheats. WHY?

http://www.thegrio.com/2009/09/rev-al-s ... philly.php


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REV. AL'S HALF-PRICE DEAL ON $1.8M TAXES
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/regional/r ... uooAQHxM9N

The Rev. Al Sharpton owed at least $1.8 million in back taxes before striking a sweetheart deal with the feds last summer that chopped the bill almost in half and kept him out of the slammer, The Post has learned.

A series of federal liens -- the most recent of which was filed earlier this month -- provide a window into the massive tax debts the firebrand activist incurred since 2002 as he remade himself into a millionaire media personality, newly released documents show.

This unpaid balance -- a potential mix of back taxes and penalties -- comes on top of a federal lien filed last Nov. 13 for $1,367,521 covering tax years 2005 and 2006.

All the liens are filed as "1040" or personal income tax and listed his address as 680 Madison Ave. -- the uber-swanky Helmsley Carlton House where Sharpton resides.

... and makes $2,000 per church sermon

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You don't pay 1.3 mil in taxes and find out what happens. Newt should have told him to pay his taxes so that Schools can be funded properly.

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Postby Full Quiver » October 6th, 2009, 3:02 pm

I went with Huckabee though I was staunchly against him last year. Between his tv appearances, radio spots, and his Fox News show I have grown to like him.
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