Reagan

[dawgs10]

wondering if i am the only one that remembers the scandels and huge debt he left this country in. the debt that he massed cost bush number 1 his job because he had to raise taxes to pay for it. common sense. you pay for what you borrow. by the way its our debt not washingtons. same issue with W. now we have obama doing the same thing. just wanted to remind you the only pres. that did anything about the debt we owe China and others was BUBBY C. so REAGAN started the whole debt thing. he just did it in another way. instead of spending it on people he spent it on stars wars (luke skywalker) crazy stuff that never happened. amazing how we forget. Allowed his admin. to arm Iran and then claimed he knew nothing. either he lied or he was sleeping at the wheel. the repubs. are the only people claiming he was the greatest pres. of our time. yes he did some good things. made some good speaches. helped us feel better about ourselves. he didnt bring down the iron curtain. it came down on its own. most real world experts would tell you that. Just a reminder.

[MacUser]

You need to stop getting those big union emails or hanging out on those websites. They are going to warp you.

Big Liberal Brother will never stop rewriting history.

[dawgs10]

:roll:

You need to stop getting those big union emails or hanging out on those websites. They are going to warp you.

Big Liberal Brother will never stop rewriting history.

were you awake in the early eighties. come on.

[MacUser]

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were you awake in the early eighties. come on.

Were you during Carters?


Would you bring back the Soviet empire?
Would you raise the top income-tax rate back to 70 percent?
Would you trade 2.8 million jobs?
Would you trade $15,000 of your annual income?
Would you trade the stock market boom?

The Reagan tax cuts replaced the deepest recession since the Great Depression with the largest 20-year boom in American history. Tax revenues actually grew faster in the low-tax 1980s than in the high-tax 1970s, and rising incomes meant the share of taxes paid by the wealthy actually increased throughout the 1980s. Millions of people who had entered the 1980s in the lowest income quintile surged to the highest income quintile by 1990.

All a coincidence? As Reagan would say, “there you go again.”

Sure, President Reagan would have preferred to minimize the deficits by eliminating wasteful spending. However, the only way to persuade a Democratic Congress to accept a defense buildup and pro-growth tax cuts was to agree to their domestic spending demands.


Since we are trying to rewrite history again...
http://www.heritage.org/Press/Commentary/ed061604b.cfm

[dawgs10]

and he walked out of office after arming a enemy that would threaten us and the existence of isreal. he walked out of office with the largest debt in us history. and there you go again macuser. he walked out of office with millions of people looking up at the sky waiting for the trickle to get to them. i do remember jimmy carter saying that if we didnt get away from oil dependence we would be in very bad shape. no one would listen. thought he was crazy. hummm.

[dolfan]

Reagan made mistakes. No one's arguing he was perfect. Arming Iran was a bad idea. We sided with Afghanistan in their war against Russia, too, and that has hurt us. Sometimes, there is no good choice, only a best available one. I don't argue that arming Iran or Afghanistan was either one. I'm content to let history rail on Reagan for that; even still, his limited government views and his decisive dealing with the Soviets were works of art, albeit far from perfect. And, yes, way better than his predecessor.

Reagan did spend us into huge deficits. Clinton did not create a surplus. The late 1990's surplus was a fiction, it never existed. Social Security money financed it, and SS is going broke in short order for that reason. Furthermore, to the extent anyone gets credit, it should be Newt Gingrich. Bill Clinton said in 1995, and I remember it well and you can look it up, that he wanted to balance the budget over a period of 15 years --- which means he didn't want to balance the budget. Newt and the Republican congress forced the issue. Clinton signed it and took credit. Still, both sides were playing games with the books to create the appearance of something that wasn't. Fact is, we haven't had an actual surplus since Richard Nixon and we never will.


And, Jimmy Carter was not crazy. Naive. Self-aggrandizing. But not crazy. The Bible says, truly, the wisdom is justified of her children. Obama is the Son of Jimmy. Jimmy Carter's wisdom in Obama is demonstrating itself in Obama's capitulation to the same Iran that Reagan armed, the same Islamist Iran that Carter aided by rubbing the Shah in their faces after they had essentially de-throned him; Carter let the Shah into the US for cancer treatment in October 1979. Remember, the Democrat White House in the 1950's under Truman had deployed spies and aid to the Shah's friends to stage a successful coup against a democratically elected prime minister and parliamentary government that had earlier deposed the Shah. The Democrats helped create the environment that would become Islamist Iran. It didn't happen overnight. This was a nation of people who wanted a form of democracy, and the Democrats helped stage a violent reimposition of a tyrant monarch. By the time Carter was praising that same monarch in 1979, the Islamic Revolution was well underway and they captured the people in our embassy in Tehran. You know the rest.

Now, Obama is going to essentially aid and abet Ahmedinijad (or however you spell it) because he's too afraid to force him back down. Personally, I believe Iran has the right to make its own nuclear power and weapons; I do believe that we have a right to stop them from doing it because here, might makes right. Obama is choosing a path of appeasement and diplomatic talk with a country who has no intention of listening or doing
what we say. The clumsy seeds of tyranny in Iran that Carter helped plant, being tended to and nourished by Obama.

[Brian]

Formula for Economic Growth

Growth, as we know, is very important. It is economic growth that makes it possible for living standards to increase for nearly every American. It is growth that defeats poverty. It is growth that fuels technological, scientific, and medical progress. It is growth that enables us to have more options in life, to have more leisure, to learn and do more things-to become the well-rounded, creative human being about whom Karl Marx wrote in 1844 in the Economic and Philosophical Manuscripts.

Reagan reminded America that government cannot create economic growth and that government generally is the enemy of economic growth. Yet Reagan also taught us that there is something that government can do. It can create an environment that is friendly to growth. Government can help unleash human imagination and creativity. It can encourage men and women to take economic risks and then allow them to get big rewards when they succeed. Of course, it also must allow them to fail and pay the price of failure.

Reagan taught us that the hero of economic growth is the entrepreneur. This is a French word that technically means someone who undertakes to do something. But when translated into the American language, entrepreneur means much more. It is the entrepreneur who gets the new ideas, takes the risks, tries the new things. It is the entrepreneur who works long and hard, who finds the money for risky ventures, who breaks the rules, who is the pioneer and the inventor. Truly, entrepreneurs are the heroes of a growing economy.

Government, of course, cannot be an entrepreneur. Bureaucracies do not take risks; they are not pioneers; they do not get new ideas; and they cannot move quickly. But government can encourage individuals to be entrepreneurs. Ronald Reagan did this by lowering taxes, by reducing government regulation and interference in the economy, and by making it easier for individuals to accumulate the money they can use for new economic enterprises.

This is what Reagan did. And what are the results? We have had the longest period of economic growth in peacetime in American history-probably world history. A record number of new American businesses have been created; a record number of new jobs have been created (and, in fact, experts now worry about a labor shortage in America); we are producing more new products and new ideas and are doing so more efficiently than at any time in our history. There is a new dynamism in America. And Ronald Reagan once again proved that capitalism works-that free market economics succeeds. This is a wonderful legacy for America-and the world.

Sorry for that long quote from an external link http://reagan2020.us/record/tenlegacies.asp, I just thought it was spot on with what needs to be done to encourage economic growth. Stop relying on the government to fix all that may be wrong with our economy. It can't be done like that! The government will only prove to make a bad situation worse when they meddle in the affairs of it's capitalist free market citizens.

And yes I pulled that from a pro Regan pro republican web site because quite frankly I trust them FAR MORE than some liberal left biased garbage that some of the mainstream media puts out there.

[dawgs10]

Reagan made mistakes. No one's arguing he was perfect. Arming Iran was a bad idea. We sided with Afghanistan in their war against Russia, too, and that has hurt us. Sometimes, there is no good choice, only a best available one. I don't argue that arming Iran or Afghanistan was either one. I'm content to let history rail on Reagan for that; even still, his limited government views and his decisive dealing with the Soviets were works of art, albeit far from perfect. And, yes, way better than his predecessor.

Reagan did spend us into huge deficits. Clinton did not create a surplus. The late 1990's surplus was a fiction, it never existed. Social Security money financed it, and SS is going broke in short order for that reason. Furthermore, to the extent anyone gets credit, it should be Newt Gingrich. Bill Clinton said in 1995, and I remember it well and you can look it up, that he wanted to balance the budget over a period of 15 years --- which means he didn't want to balance the budget. Newt and the Republican congress forced the issue. Clinton signed it and took credit. Still, both sides were playing games with the books to create the appearance of something that wasn't. Fact is, we haven't had an actual surplus since Richard Nixon and we never will.


And, Jimmy Carter was not crazy. Naive. Self-aggrandizing. But not crazy. The Bible says, truly, the wisdom is justified of her children. Obama is the Son of Jimmy. Jimmy Carter's wisdom in Obama is demonstrating itself in Obama's capitulation to the same Iran that Reagan armed, the same Islamist Iran that Carter aided by rubbing the Shah in their faces after they had essentially de-throned him; Carter let the Shah into the US for cancer treatment in October 1979. Remember, the Democrat White House in the 1950's under Truman had deployed spies and aid to the Shah's friends to stage a successful coup against a democratically elected prime minister and parliamentary government that had earlier deposed the Shah. The Democrats helped create the environment that would become Islamist Iran. It didn't happen overnight. This was a nation of people who wanted a form of democracy, and the Democrats helped stage a violent reimposition of a tyrant monarch. By the time Carter was praising that same monarch in 1979, the Islamic Revolution was well underway and they captured the people in our embassy in Tehran. You know the rest.

Now, Obama is going to essentially aid and abet Ahmedinijad (or however you spell it) because he's too afraid to force him back down. Personally, I believe Iran has the right to make its own nuclear power and weapons; I do believe that we have a right to stop them from doing it because here, might makes right. Obama is choosing a path of appeasement and diplomatic talk with a country who has no intention of listening or doing
what we say. The clumsy seeds of tyranny in Iran that Carter helped plant, being tended to and nourished by Obama.

so lets stop holding ronnie up like he was the second coming. the answer lies way out of range of anything either party can do. and it lies way out of range of what a "free market" can do. were in trouble and palin is not the answer.

[Full Quiver]

and he walked out of office after arming a enemy that would threaten us and the existence of isreal.

But if he were alive and in office today he'd lay down an ultimatum for Iran and believe me they would listen. I believe it was Iran that released those hostages the day Reagan was inaugurated. Obama does nothing but travel the world while Iran threatens Israel so if you find Iran to be a threat as you imply with your Reagan slam then you should be screaming loud and clear against Obama's tactics at foreign policy.

[dolfan]

Well, you're right, dawgs. Jesus is the answer. That's why I prattle on and on against government. You've brought my point to its head.

You, me, everyone else in America ...... we know that government actually does something. For me, though, I expect it to fail when it does whatever it does. Why? Because, it is incompetent .... and no one anywhere on Earth since the beginning until now .... can make it competent. If competent government were our need, Jesus would've become Emperor. Instead, nations all over the world have variously organized themselves, some by force, some by hook and crook, some by democracy, most by some combination of all of the above and more, but none of them delivers us.

Yet, each of them manages to insert itself into the lives of its citizens to the point that the very thoughts and intents of the hearts of citizens are expected to be for and toward the government's exercise of its powers in whatever manner it moves and acts. Our Federal government, the one that you and I share as slaves to it, has for the better part of 75 years displaced every institution in society by nefarious and diabolical means. These displaced institutions are the ones that matter most to you and to me. Family. Marriage. Parenthood. Church. The Federal government has positioned all of its arms of power in the executive branch to regulate each of these in different but all coercive ways, and always for its own ends of power and not for the benefit of the citizen or the maintenance of the sovereignty of the people or their liberties. The Federal government has positioned all of its rulemaking authority in both the legislative and executive branches to similar ends. And, also, the judicial branch of that government has long ago explicity abandoned the limitations of the 10th Amendment to free the legislative and judicial branches to do their evil deeds in most any manner they deem convenient.

Yet, we ask for it. We capitulate to it. We participate in it. And, we act as if we're being responsible citizens, patriots and informed voters when we do it. What sense is there in empowering and supporting, even sometimes praising, the very institution that has aimed itself at destroying and replacing the institutions that you and I have learned from our Christian faith are the only institutions worth pursuing??

I purposely speak two different languages at times, it seems to me. I can see clearly and discuss the kingdom of God and relate to you and others about it. That's when we are at our best, and when we are at our most natural selves because the new nature we have is a gift from the King of that kingdom. Then, I can discuss principles of constitutional, limited, republican government. I can see those principles as clearly. I espouse them and I support them inasmuch as they sustain us most freely. But, to be honest with you and myself, I am doing a great disservice to truth. Because the truth is, dawgs, neither Jefferson, nor Lincoln, nor Reagan, nor Roosevelt, nor Carter, nor Clinton, nor Carter has an answer for our most basic and underlying need. Nothing that those men did, said, wrote or built holds anything for you or for me or anyone else.

My heart stays heavy with anger at our government. It is desperately wicked from top to bottom because it seeks its own power. It is the antithesis to love, and because God is love, government is thereby antichrist. Not just our government, but all of them. But, I don't live with the others, so I'm only here to address the corruption of placing any measure of trust in ours.

When Hurricane Katrina hit, I thought, said and even typed on here that God had allowed us to see something about ourselves that we haven't seen clearly enough: that everything we place our trust in is so fragile and temporary, so unreliable and inherently and thoroughly unworthy of us that it takes just one day of wind and rain to tear it apart to its roots. When Pastor Ables and I went to meet Pastor Don in Fultondale, Alabama with a trailer of supplies for him to take back to Mississippi with him (he was pastoring there, then) I had a faint glimpse of what really, really mattered. When we drove from meeting him over to Tupelo, Mississippi to the civic center there and unloaded even more supplies, I got a better understanding. And, when, weeks later, we loaded up again and drove down to Pass Christian and Gulfport, MS, as we passed through Mobile and on into the really devastated portions of Mississippi, I never had a clearer vision of what God intends for us than I had then. It remains a seminal moment for me. And, it is this, simply this:

"They devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching and to the fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer. Everyone was filled with awe, and many wonders and miraculous signs were done by the apostles. All the believers were together and had everything in common. Selling their possessions and goods, they gave to anyone as he had need. Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts, praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people. And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved."

We speak in great technical, learned language of theological, biblical, doctrinal matters. We adorn our minds with the images of power, of government, of control, of hierarchies and of dominion or domination even. We commingle the pure wine of the Gospel with the tainted water of the Government. We bemoan separation of church and state instead of bemoaning the separation of the church from her Groom. John's last prayer was "come, Lord Jesus", not "help us be better citizens". We love to quote and correct the errant with the instruction to be "in this world but not of it", while at the same time devoting our resources (whether by force or willingly), our time, our allegiances, our aspirations and hopes, etc., to it.

Now, some would argue that Jesus came to redeem this world, to redeem His creation and that, therefore, we should be "better citizens" and inhabitants with a Jesus-kind-of-attitude. That's not redemption, though. Redemption means to turn something over and get something else in exchange, not to turn something into something else. The latter is to remodel, renovate but not to redeem. There is another, wholly different in quality and kind kingdom in the new creation, and the old one must pass away. To put one moment of stock one second of trust in to this world is an investment of the eternally invaluable Truth to the already condemned worthless Lie. But, that's what the church is doing when we speak in terms of hope, change or improvement and when we do it while relying even a little bit on the machinations of the powers of this world. And, dawgs, that's exactly what is at stake as I personally see it.

It's necessary and vital to do what Jesus did and said to do. We've allowed that to get applied to do whatever it is the world is already doing (and by "the world" I mean the powers of the world--those forces and people who order its affairs-- and what they are leading us to be and do; I don't mean by that visiting strip clubs, drunkenness, stealing, killing, hating, etc. because if we have to contend with that as something we have to weigh whether or not to do it we've got a much more immediate concern about knowing Christ at all). So, now we have Christian politics, for example. I submit to you that there's no such animal known to God nor man. Not that politicians can't be believers, but their work is not of the sanctified kind; it is wasted work and all in vain and in my opinion the work of the enemy of our souls, and the poor men and women who are devoting their lives to it and whose work is being described with the noblest of language have managed, perhaps unwittingly, to play the monkey to the devil's organ grinding and to receive the praise of fellow primates. In terms of eternal importance, we may as well all be flinging our feces at each other if theirs is the way.

[dbserv]

"They devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching and to the fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer. Everyone was filled with awe, and many wonders and miraculous signs were done by the apostles. All the believers were together and had everything in common. Selling their possessions and goods, they gave to anyone as he had need. Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts, praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people. And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved."

This is the series that our pastors just completed. They are challenging us to leave EVERYTHING else by the wayside and BECOME an Acts 2:42 church - nothing more and nothing less!!!

As we proceed into future sermon series, they will continue to point us back to this point in time as they challenge us to commit to each other and to the mission that God has called us to.

So far, the normal 10% is buying into it. But, God is going to use us to disciple the rest and bring them along on a path of growth in the Holy Spirit.

I think this is the message that needs to get out to ALL Christians in this day and time.

Thank you for expressing it so well!!!

[MacUser]

so lets stop holding ronnie up like he was the second coming. the answer lies way out of range of anything either party can do. and it lies way out of range of what a "free market" can do. were in trouble and palin is not the answer.

Is this Michael Moore again? You ...as told on kook crazy websites... seek to attack one of the most popular Presidents in Modern History that created the greatest 20-year boom in American history!

Also if it wasn't for him and his media deregulation... we wouldn't have our alternative media as it exists today.

It's our founding ideals that separate us from the rest of the world. We are as human beings no different than anyone else. So we have to be careful not to lose the very thing that separates us. You seek to bring down our greatest achievements and call them bad. America is terrible, bad, and has only "stolen" from someone else to gain. Hog wash.


And, "As Ronald Reagan said in his farewell address to the nation, 'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'"

Much THANKS Ronnie!!

[dawgs10]

and he walked out of office after arming a enemy that would threaten us and the existence of isreal.

But if he were alive and in office today he'd lay down an ultimatum for Iran and believe me they would listen. I believe it was Iran that released those hostages the day Reagan was inaugurated. Obama does nothing but travel the world while Iran threatens Israel so if you find Iran to be a threat as you imply with your Reagan slam then you should be screaming loud and clear against Obama's tactics at foreign policy.

and i do. but GW had no idea how to handle it either.

[dawgs10]

so lets stop holding ronnie up like he was the second coming. the answer lies way out of range of anything either party can do. and it lies way out of range of what a "free market" can do. were in trouble and palin is not the answer.

Is this Michael Moore again? You ...as told on kook crazy websites... seek to attack one of the most popular Presidents in Modern History that created the greatest 20-year boom in American history!

Also if it wasn't for him and his media deregulation... we wouldn't have our alternative media as it exists today.

It's our founding ideals that separate us from the rest of the world. We are as human beings no different than anyone else. So we have to be careful not to lose the very thing that separates us. You seek to bring down our greatest achievements and call them bad. America is terrible, bad, and has only "stolen" from someone else to gain. Hog wash.


And, "As Ronald Reagan said in his farewell address to the nation, 'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'"

Much THANKS Ronnie!!

go ahead and bow down at the alter of ronnie!!! and i am not bringing down america by saying ronnie was not the reason the iron curtain came down. sorry man ronnie was either crazy, lazy, or guilty for Arms to Iran and he stood by as others took the fall. great man indeed.

[one love]

Reagan made mistakes. No one's arguing he was perfect. Arming Iran was a bad idea. We sided with Afghanistan in their war against Russia, too, and that has hurt us. Sometimes, there is no good choice, only a best available one. I don't argue that arming Iran or Afghanistan was either one. I'm content to let history rail on Reagan for that; even still, his limited government views and his decisive dealing with the Soviets were works of art, albeit far from perfect. And, yes, way better than his predecessor.

Reagan did spend us into huge deficits. Clinton did not create a surplus. The late 1990's surplus was a fiction, it never existed. Social Security money financed it, and SS is going broke in short order for that reason. Furthermore, to the extent anyone gets credit, it should be Newt Gingrich. Bill Clinton said in 1995, and I remember it well and you can look it up, that he wanted to balance the budget over a period of 15 years --- which means he didn't want to balance the budget. Newt and the Republican congress forced the issue. Clinton signed it and took credit. Still, both sides were playing games with the books to create the appearance of something that wasn't. Fact is, we haven't had an actual surplus since Richard Nixon and we never will.


And, Jimmy Carter was not crazy. Naive. Self-aggrandizing. But not crazy. The Bible says, truly, the wisdom is justified of her children. Obama is the Son of Jimmy. Jimmy Carter's wisdom in Obama is demonstrating itself in Obama's capitulation to the same Iran that Reagan armed, the same Islamist Iran that Carter aided by rubbing the Shah in their faces after they had essentially de-throned him; Carter let the Shah into the US for cancer treatment in October 1979. Remember, the Democrat White House in the 1950's under Truman had deployed spies and aid to the Shah's friends to stage a successful coup against a democratically elected prime minister and parliamentary government that had earlier deposed the Shah. The Democrats helped create the environment that would become Islamist Iran. It didn't happen overnight. This was a nation of people who wanted a form of democracy, and the Democrats helped stage a violent reimposition of a tyrant monarch. By the time Carter was praising that same monarch in 1979, the Islamic Revolution was well underway and they captured the people in our embassy in Tehran. You know the rest.

Now, Obama is going to essentially aid and abet Ahmedinijad (or however you spell it) because he's too afraid to force him back down. Personally, I believe Iran has the right to make its own nuclear power and weapons; I do believe that we have a right to stop them from doing it because here, might makes right. Obama is choosing a path of appeasement and diplomatic talk with a country who has no intention of listening or doing
what we say. The clumsy seeds of tyranny in Iran that Carter helped plant, being tended to and nourished by Obama.

This is one of the most honest and UN biased post I have ever read. Dolfan you always amuse me with your ability to get a good point across but this was outstanding, just outstanding and very TRUE!

Perspective and context is everything...