Possibly a key?

[Pastor Gary]

According to this article, "...when the pheromone (cuticular hydrocarbon) was removed, it created a "sexual tsunami" where the bugs proved attractive to one another, regardless of sex. The research found that male fruit flies with no history of homosexuality attempted to mate with their pheromone-free males, according to the research published in journal Nature."

Is it, then, a stretch to extrapolate that a similar absence of some pheromone in humans could contribute to the kind of same-sex attraction in which some people believe they "have always known" they were drawn to the same gender?

[dolfan]

Makes some sense. We've discussed here and remember a study from a few years ago about fraternal birth order and the increased likelihood of homosexuality in males supposedly caused by/attributed to the lower levels of certain hormones in the pregnant mother as the number of pregnancies with unborn males increases; in other words, an oldest male is less likely to be homosexual than his 2nd, 3rd, 4th brothers as the mother produces less and less of a certain hormone while those brothers are each in utero. I don't know if it's true, but it makes sense. In that study, it was also "found" that being born left-handed counteracted the lower hormone/homosexuality link, and that the number of intervening pregnancies with female unborns had no impact on the level of hormones later to be found in utero with male unborns.

[Brandon Bowers]

Well, I'm firstborn and lefthanded! Guess there's no way I can be gay!

[dolfan]

"Do you know how I know you're gay?...."

(40 Year Old Virgin movie joke, if you don't get that.)

[pastorables]

I'll be the Republican here. I do not believe that any amount of scientific rhetoric can justify the abomination of homosexuality. Next, they'll be trying to prove that we evolved from apes?!

pa

[dolfan]

Justify? No way! Someone once asked me, "Well, what if they're just born that way."

I told her, "Let's say they are. Let's say a pedophile is 'just born that way', too. That doesn't make it okay for them to act on it."

I don't offer that to make any link between homosexuality and pedophilia, which as far as I know there is none, scientifically or common-sensically. But, there may be all kind of 'natural' reasons to do certain things; we don't justify them because it has a natural connection. I mean, c'mon, EVERYTHING has a natural connection. No, hormones, hanging up Jon & Kate posters in your house, playing Kenny Chesney music, none of that justifies homosexual conduct. It might explain it, but it doesn't justify it.

[Pastor Gary]

I'll be the Republican here. I do not believe that any amount of scientific rhetoric can justify the abomination of homosexuality. Next, they'll be trying to prove that we evolved from apes?!

Maybe I am missing something here, or maybe you are; if it could be proved that homosexual attraction was based largely upon a physical defect, lack of a hormone, for example, that mans it can be corrected/cured. Imagine if a person who had always believed themselves to be gay received a hormone injection and within hours/days found themselves now repulsed by the idea and attracted to the opposite sex?

It would affect politics, public policy, healthcare (AIDS comes to mind), and a hundred other social issues.

[Billy n NC]

Pastor Gary,

How do you feel the Christian Religious world will react to this.

that in fact it is a hormone/chemical imbalance in the body..

Not saying that it is ...

Have wondered that before.

[pastorables]

I'll be the Republican here. I do not believe that any amount of scientific rhetoric can justify the abomination of homosexuality. Next, they'll be trying to prove that we evolved from apes?!

Maybe I am missing something here, or maybe you are; if it could be proved that homosexual attraction was based largely upon a physical defect, lack of a hormone, for example, that mans it can be corrected/cured. Imagine if a person who had always believed themselves to be gay received a hormone injection and within hours/days found themselves now repulsed by the idea and attracted to the opposite sex?

It would affect politics, public policy, healthcare (AIDS comes to mind), and a hundred other social issues.

I don't fully accept that you believe that homosexuality is a disease, but for the sake of the discussion, if this were the case it would be the only disease I know of where God turned people over to reprobate minds concerning. Not to mention the many other associated judgments.

I just don't believe that "choosing to do those things which are not convenient" or "against natural order" can be classified as anything other than a wicked lifestyle choice.

When we flirt with these kinds of explanations for sinful tendency, we open up for too many skewed possibilities. Will we also try to cure the Aphrodite who cheapens her body, mind, and soul through habitual adultery?

I guess I'm old school. I believe that we need an old fashioned, devil bashing, Holy Ghost revival.

pa

[Pastor Gary]

I'll be the Republican here. I do not believe that any amount of scientific rhetoric can justify the abomination of homosexuality. Next, they'll be trying to prove that we evolved from apes?!

Maybe I am missing something here, or maybe you are; if it could be proved that homosexual attraction was based largely upon a physical defect, lack of a hormone, for example, that mans it can be corrected/cured. Imagine if a person who had always believed themselves to be gay received a hormone injection and within hours/days found themselves now repulsed by the idea and attracted to the opposite sex?

It would affect politics, public policy, healthcare (AIDS comes to mind), and a hundred other social issues.

I don't fully accept that you believe that homosexuality is a disease, but for the sake of the discussion, if this were the case it would be the only disease I know of where God turned people over to reprobate minds concerning. Not to mention the many other associated judgments.

I just don't believe that "choosing to do those things which are not convenient" or "against natural order" can be classified as anything other than a wicked lifestyle choice.

When we flirt with these kinds of explanations for sinful tendency, we open up for too many skewed possibilities. Will we also try to cure the Aphrodite who cheapens her body, mind, and soul through habitual adultery?

I guess I'm old school. I believe that we need an old fashioned, devil bashing, Holy Ghost revival.

I know far more people who have chosen to be unfaithful to their spouses than have chosen to be gay. If it turns out that some of those "choices" could be medically prevented, I am all for medical intervention.

No problem with revival here -- I know people who have been instantly delivered of alcoholism, drug addiction and a dozen other things; I don't know of anyone who has been delivered of same-sex attraction instantly and completely. Do you? I have known a LOT of people who tell me they are walking with the Lord, but still struggle with that temptation every single day, though they are Spirit-filled and walking straight.

[one love]

I'll be the Republican here. I do not believe that any amount of scientific rhetoric can justify the abomination of homosexuality. Next, they'll be trying to prove that we evolved from apes?!

Maybe I am missing something here, or maybe you are; if it could be proved that homosexual attraction was based largely upon a physical defect, lack of a hormone, for example, that mans it can be corrected/cured. Imagine if a person who had always believed themselves to be gay received a hormone injection and within hours/days found themselves now repulsed by the idea and attracted to the opposite sex?

It would affect politics, public policy, healthcare (AIDS comes to mind), and a hundred other social issues.

I don't fully accept that you believe that homosexuality is a disease, but for the sake of the discussion, if this were the case it would be the only disease I know of where God turned people over to reprobate minds concerning. Not to mention the many other associated judgments.

I just don't believe that "choosing to do those things which are not convenient" or "against natural order" can be classified as anything other than a wicked lifestyle choice.

When we flirt with these kinds of explanations for sinful tendency, we open up for too many skewed possibilities. Will we also try to cure the Aphrodite who cheapens her body, mind, and soul through habitual adultery?

I guess I'm old school. I believe that we need an old fashioned, devil bashing, Holy Ghost revival.

I know far more people who have chosen to be unfaithful to their spouses than have chosen to be gay. If it turns out that some of those "choices" could be medically prevented, I am all for medical intervention.

No problem with revival here -- I know people who have been instantly delivered of alcoholism, drug addiction and a dozen other things; I don't know of anyone who has been delivered of same-sex attraction instantly and completely. Do you? I have known a LOT of people who tell me they are walking with the Lord, but still struggle with that temptation every single day, though they are Spirit-filled and walking straight.

I know a person really well that has been delivered from homosexuality and is NO longer attracted to men. One of the most faithful christians that I have ever met. To doubt this (not saying PG is) would be a serious lack of faith.

[pastorables]

I know far more people who have chosen to be unfaithful to their spouses than have chosen to be gay.

Sure, here too, but that doesn't make homosexuality any less of an abominable, wicked lifestyle born out of the lust of the flesh. I know far more people who murder with their tongues than with the sword, yet physical murder is still a choice against the commandments of God.

No problem with revival here -- I know people who have been instantly delivered of alcoholism, drug addiction and a dozen other things; I don't know of anyone who has been delivered of same-sex attraction instantly and completely. Do you?

I don't know anyone who has been delivered from homosexuality personally, but neither do I know anyone who has been delivered from thievery personally. I have read some awesome testimonies concerning homosexual deliverance from members of the Brooklyn Tabernacle Choir.

I suppose the difference in our point of views is that I do not see homosexuality as a disease that needs a cure, but rather a sin that needs a savior. Thus, I don't believe science will help the homosexual. I believe it takes complete sanctification from the lust that drives one to commit the sin.

Blessings,
pa