Hayford at Assembly

[dawgs10]

How many pastors do we have in CoGoP that have taken a church with 18 members (all in their 60's) and with God's help grown it to over 10,000? As far as I know the answer is a big fat 0! I think that every overseer who has pastor's at the assembly should "require" them to be in every session JH speaks at and should sit with his pastors to learn together. Wouldn't that be a surprising twist?

Just a thought.

i will be there and i will be packing my stay awake!!! dr. land will be preaching at some point during the week so i can look forward to that.

[dolfan]

I mean this in good humor, dawgs, but when I read your last post, I thought, "I wonder if he only goes to a doctor who'll scream at him."

Then, I got this mental movie in my head of a doctor in one of suits with the big, wide pinstrips and a silver shirt with a collar that's rounded on the corners instead of pointed, and a tie with its own scrolling marquee on it giving his website, and him pacing back and forth in the exam room with a blood pressure cuff draped from his arm like a big bible, hacking between every other instruction to keep your cholesterol down. And, you sitting on the edge of the table all ready to jump off and run around the little room shoutin' "Tell me about it, Doc, tell me! Whoo!" I guess you'd be awake then, huh?

[RamboPreacher]

you mean there are people (pastors/leadership) that go to IA, but don't actually go to all the sessions?? wow.

[dawgs10]

I mean this in good humor, dawgs, but when I read your last post, I thought, "I wonder if he only goes to a doctor who'll scream at him."

Then, I got this mental movie in my head of a doctor in one of suits with the big, wide pinstrips and a silver shirt with a collar that's rounded on the corners instead of pointed, and a tie with its own scrolling marquee on it giving his website, and him pacing back and forth in the exam room with a blood pressure cuff draped from his arm like a big bible, hacking between every other instruction to keep your cholesterol down. And, you sitting on the edge of the table all ready to jump off and run around the little room shoutin' "Tell me about it, Doc, tell me! Whoo!" I guess you'd be awake then, huh?

yes i would!!!! do have his phone number. i need to make an appointment!!

[dbserv]

I just want to say.

If the only way a person gets "fired up" is by what you are calling a "preacher-preacher", then IMHO that person has a lot of growing to do.


I have been out of the P/C world for a long time now, I'll admit. But, I get WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more fired up by the less flamboyant "teacher-preachers" that God has blessed me to be ministered to during this time, then I EVER could under the spitting-hacking-sweating-running back and forth style.


There is SO much more depth in the style of preaching that Jack Hayford does than in anything TD Jakes, or any of the others of that style, present.


Besides, as PG pointed out, TD is ONE-NESS and cannot agree on a very basic tenant of yours, and my, doctrinal basics.

[dawgs10]

according to attendance and tv ratings that is a very small held opinion. people flock to those that SHOW passion and preach the word. i will say you should not try one or the other to get these results but thats what people are looking for. maybe not in one or two regions of the united states. west of the midwest comes to mind. washington state, and south. some feel to "smart" to show emotion. i still get excited about God and show it, and expect those that are preaching to me be excited and not ashamed to show it as well. Will these dry bones live? maybe not!!

[RamboPreacher]

I just want to say.

If the only way a person gets "fired up" is by what you are calling a "preacher-preacher", then IMHO that person has a lot of growing to do....

my thoughts too. having been in the media minstry in one form or another for nearly a quarter of a century, it is interesting that the "whooping, hollerin', emotional-leading, "Preachin', preacher" recordings sell better, by a factor of (in my experience) of about 10 to 1.

Is it always a matter if maturity? maybe. I just continue to pray and teach the way that God leads; no longer concerned that I am not a "preachin-preacher".

[dawgs10]

I just want to say.

If the only way a person gets "fired up" is by what you are calling a "preacher-preacher", then IMHO that person has a lot of growing to do....

my thoughts too. having been in the media minstry in one form or another for nearly a quarter of a century, it is interesting that the "whooping, hollerin', emotional-leading, "Preachin', preacher" recordings sell better, by a factor of (in my experience) of about 10 to 1.

Is it always a matter if maturity? maybe. I just continue to pray and teach the way that God leads; no longer concerned that I am not a "preachin-preacher".

i would love to hear you teach or preach rambopreacher. i listen to pastor gary alot with the streaming minstry he has. i like to hear him. all i am saying is there is different likes and dislikes and i perfer one over the other all though i have been under both types of minstries and have grown under both. if you teach do it with the leadership of the Holy Ghost. if you preach do under the leadership of the Holy Ghost. tonight i will be preaching more than likely at a high volume at Central Community Church. pray for me.

[cndlou]

How do you think the guys from outside the US will respond to this minister? I know sometimes speakers lose these guys because many use "US" stats, thinking etc... Just wondering, I know of this minister but can't say that I have ever heard him speak...so I was just curious.

[dbserv]

according to attendance and tv ratings that is a very small held opinion. people flock to those that SHOW passion and preach the word. i will say you should not try one or the other to get these results but thats what people are looking for. maybe not in one or two regions of the united states. west of the midwest comes to mind. washington state, and south. some feel to "smart" to show emotion. i still get excited about God and show it, and expect those that are preaching to me be excited and not ashamed to show it as well. Will these dry bones live? maybe not!!

Loudness, spitting, and hacking do NOT equal being "excited". IMHO, they usually show a lack of preparation or substance and a reliance on emotion to stir the masses instead of the Holy Spirit.

I trust that is not you, but from my experience that is the case with MOST!!!


I have never met a pastor more excited about the Word and the Lord than our pastors. But, NONE of them are the type of preacher you prefer. And, we have NO lack of excitement in our services or in our zeal and fervor for God.

We don't need a hypster to stir us up in what is usually a fake excitement that quickly fades when the "spirit" of excitgement is gone.

[dawgs10]

according to attendance and tv ratings that is a very small held opinion. people flock to those that SHOW passion and preach the word. i will say you should not try one or the other to get these results but thats what people are looking for. maybe not in one or two regions of the united states. west of the midwest comes to mind. washington state, and south. some feel to "smart" to show emotion. i still get excited about God and show it, and expect those that are preaching to me be excited and not ashamed to show it as well. Will these dry bones live? maybe not!!

Loudness, spitting, and hacking do NOT equal being "excited". IMHO, they usually show a lack of preparation or substance and a reliance on emotion to stir the masses instead of the Holy Spirit.

I trust that is not you, but from my experience that is the case with MOST!!!


I have never met a pastor more excited about the Word and the Lord than our pastors. But, NONE of them are the type of preacher you prefer. And, we have NO lack of excitement in our services or in our zeal and fervor for God.

We don't need a hypster to stir us up in what is usually a fake excitement that quickly fades when the "spirit" of excitgement is gone.

the danger of making statements on a website is that people tend to take things personaly. i have no idea where you go to church or what your pastor is like. i am sure he is a great pastor and you attend a great church. i would say that i think we a refusing to look at a trend that says if your loud or excited or passionate with your sermon there is not much depth. i would say that some of the most bibicaly based sermons i have ever heard was preached by some of the most outward excited ministers. there has been some teachers i have enjoyed and have learned from. i do think this boils down to a culture thing and the area of the united states you live in. the ministers out west seem to teach more. there seems to be a move there that says if you raise your voice your not as smart or educated. i would say some folks need to be shaken up a bit and get out of your seats and maybe shout a little. i promise it wont hurt ya.

[Phil Hoover]

two of the GREATEST representatives of Spirit-filled living and Pentecostal theology that I know.

[one love]

I mean this in good humor, dawgs, but when I read your last post, I thought, "I wonder if he only goes to a doctor who'll scream at him."

Then, I got this mental movie in my head of a doctor in one of suits with the big, wide pinstrips and a silver shirt with a collar that's rounded on the corners instead of pointed, and a tie with its own scrolling marquee on it giving his website, and him pacing back and forth in the exam room with a blood pressure cuff draped from his arm like a big bible, hacking between every other instruction to keep your cholesterol down. And, you sitting on the edge of the table all ready to jump off and run around the little room shoutin' "Tell me about it, Doc, tell me! Whoo!" I guess you'd be awake then, huh?