Isreal's status

[JohnDB]

Mike, the Word says that Jesus comes on a white horse to smite the nations and it says the nations gather to make war against HIM not Israel. Again whether or not this is literal is another question.


So now the story of the prodigal son speaks of Israel. I've heard it so many ways.

Prodigal son?

Never heard of that story speaking of Israel before. Could you explain that one?

[Full Quiver]

I was quoting someone else in this thread John.

[JohnDB]

my bad..sorry I didn't read the whole thread.

I thought maybe you were confusing my post with the prodigal son story.

And as it turns out I was the one confused.

OK...I apologize. I shoulda known better.

[Shepherd]

Could the elder brother represent Israel or at least her religious leaders?

[ImaPK]

Danny, it's 11:30PM and it's dark outside...now take my words out of context.

[Full Quiver]

I don't follow you Mike.

You posted

Since the promise to Abraham, Israel always has been and always will be God's chosen. In the end, when the nations of the world comes against them, they are "backed" by God and the valley(Armegeddon) will run red with the blood of their enemies. Sounds to me as if they are still God's chosen people. But then I'm no "expert Christian". Wink
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Obviously you think I replied out of context so feel free to explain your post.

[ImaPK]

I don't follow you Mike.

You posted

Since the promise to Abraham, Israel always has been and always will be God's chosen. In the end, when the nations of the world comes against them, they are "backed" by God and the valley(Armegeddon) will run red with the blood of their enemies. Sounds to me as if they are still God's chosen people. But then I'm no "expert Christian". Wink
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Obviously you think I replied out of context so feel free to explain your post.

I said

Since the promise to Abraham, Israel always has been and always will be God's chosen. In the end, when the nations of the world comes against them, they are "backed" by God and the valley(Armegeddon) will run red with the blood of their enemies. Sounds to me as if they are still God's chosen people.

You said

Mike, the Word says that Jesus comes on a white horse to smite the nations and it says the nations gather to make war against HIM not Israel. Again whether or not this is literal is another question.

The KEY word in my post is "backed". Look at your history of Israel since 1948. Is their survival not "backed" by God? A small country, such as they are, has defeated the Arabs at every turn even though they have been outnumbered and outgunned. The USA, a predominately Christian nation, has stood beside them through thick and thin. God told Abraham that Ishmael would "bruise his heel" but that God would stand by his promise. If you know anything about geneology then you know that the Arabs are the descendents of Ishmael. God has let Israel "suffer" for thousands of years but he has never FORSAKEN them and never will. God "backing"Israel and Christ wiping out the nations in the end to set up his Kingdom are two DIFFERENT subjects.

[Full Quiver]

Mike, NEVER does the Word support the religion of Israel. The Word supports the faith of Abraham. Israel by and large knows nothing about faith. They forsook the Lord, remember it was they who begged the romans to crucify their creator.

again, your reference from Revelation never says He comes to back Israel. I'll bet money much of that blood we read about (if it's literal) will be Israeli.

[ImaPK]

Mike, NEVER does the Word support the religion of Israel. The Word supports the faith of Abraham. Israel by and large knows nothing about faith. They forsook the Lord, remember it was they who begged the romans to crucify their creator.

again, your reference from Revelation never says He comes to back Israel. I'll bet money much of that blood we read about (if it's literal) will be Israeli.

You really amaze me Danny. NEVER in any of my posts do I mention RELIGION! Yes, GOD supports the faith of Abraham. God also HONORS, now and forever, the PROMISE He made to Abraham. Just because the Jews allowed Christ to be crucified does not negate that PROMISE. If you believe that, quote me the chapter and verse so I can see it. Throughout history the Jews have been persecuted. Governments have tried for ages to destroy them and have failed. God has allowed this persecution while not allowing them to be destroyed. Countries throughout history have tried to kick them out of their land yet there are Jews throughout most countries today(with a few exceptions). Like it or not the Gentiles are a "substitute people" who honor, worship and serve God while believing that Christ died to save ALL of mankind including the Jews. Just because the Jews don't belive that way does not eliminate ANY promises made by God to them. God has "turned away" from Israel countless times from Biblical times to the present yet He still loves them and the are still His "chosen people". And bet all the money you like but without Biblical proof it's just your belief. Right or wrong ONLY God knows.

[one love]

FQ what do you make of the 144,000 jews that will be saved in revelation?

[ImaPK]

FQ what do you make of the 144,000 jews that will be saved in revelation?

Obviously he believes those are the only Jews who will survive. Especially if most of the blood shed when Christ returns is Israeli. OOPS!!Did I take his post out of context? NAH!!

[one love]

FQ what do you make of the 144,000 jews that will be saved in revelation?

Obviously he believes those are the only Jews who will survive. Especially if most of the blood shed when Christ returns is Israeli. OOPS!!Did I take his post out of context? NAH!!

you guys crack me up

[RamboPreacher]

assuming the 144k is meant to be a specific number and assuming there is no symbology represented and assuming it is talking about the religious Jews, or even the nationality of Jews, and assuming it is talking about "salvation".

[Full Quiver]

Lots of assuming here.

A Jew in and of himself/herself has no secret passage way to God, salvation, etc. A Jew that has the faith of Abraham and therefore is lead to a saving conversion through the LORD Jesus Christ is heir of the promise.

Jews that deny Christ are not recipients or heirs to the promise made to Abraham.

Mike, you are the one saying they are heirs by virtue of their physical bloodline. please provide scripture and verse.


Jesus made it clear that the JEWS were not of Abraham but of their father the devil.


If there are 144,000 Jews saved it will be because they are Christians with that were converted from Judaism.

Do you guys really think God is going to allow 144,000 folks to deny the Lord Jesus Christ and still enter into heaven? The only way to the Father is through the SON.

[one love]

Lots of assuming here.

A Jew in and of himself/herself has no secret passage way to God, salvation, etc. A Jew that has the faith of Abraham and therefore is lead to a saving conversion through the LORD Jesus Christ is heir of the promise.

Jews that deny Christ are not recipients or heirs to the promise made to Abraham.

Mike, you are the one saying they are heirs by virtue of their physical bloodline. please provide scripture and verse.


Jesus made it clear that the JEWS were not of Abraham but of their father the devil.


If there are 144,000 Jews saved it will be because they are Christians with that were converted from Judaism.

Do you guys really think God is going to allow 144,000 folks to deny the Lord Jesus Christ and still enter into heaven? The only way to the Father is through the SON.

No i think we agree. I believe that 144k jews will be SAVED THROUGH faith in JESUS CHRIST. They are NOT heaven bound based on their forefathers alone. I do believe God's hands are on Israel as a nation though and those that are willing to recieve Christ will be saved.