Early Tea Party victories

[TW]

Dawgs, it is.

I am using common sense, the common sense to not write these people off as blowhards and crazies just because they are public and vocal. History can teach us some lessons here. People are governed by consent. If the governing power loses that consent it is replaced with a new governing power. Sometimes this is a peaceful process, but more often than not it is by an open and popular rebellion. The steps leading from being governed to rebellion follow a pattern. The first step is discontent. When the governed become discontented with the governing powers they attempt to redress their grievances through whatever legal channels that may be open to them. The American Colonies pursued this course for 10 years prior to the American Revolution. If there is not a satisfactory resolution to their grievance the next step is public display and civil disobedience. The Boston Tea Party, and the demonstrations of the '60s and '70s are prime examples of this. If these two steps fail to produce the desired result then the final step will occur, open rebellion. An open rebellion with armed conflict between the governed and the governing power

Does it have to be this way? No. History shows us that where the governing power recognizes the grievance of the governed, and amends it's action, the rebellion does not have to occur. The Magna Carta Libertaturn is an example of this kind of result. Do I believe that the present government of the United States will recognize the grievance of it's people? No.

So I ask, are these people blowhards and crazies, or are they simply following a historical path?


TW

[one love]

That when democrats protest against republicans the media loves them for it, gives them continous coverage (cindy shean) spelling????
However when a republican/conservative does the same thing they are called every name in the book and are written off as being rednecks, hicks, morans etc. (you know what dawgs is doing now)

I believe the dems will lose the majority they have in the next election!!!! Whether Obama loses or not I just dont know. I have not seen anyone at the moment that could beat him. Maybe Huckabee (who I really want as president.

[dawgs10]

Dawgs, it is.

I am using common sense, the common sense to not write these people off as blowhards and crazies just because they are public and vocal. History can teach us some lessons here. People are governed by consent. If the governing power loses that consent it is replaced with a new governing power. Sometimes this is a peaceful process, but more often than not it is by an open and popular rebellion. The steps leading from being governed to rebellion follow a pattern. The first step is discontent. When the governed become discontented with the governing powers they attempt to redress their grievances through whatever legal channels that may be open to them. The American Colonies pursued this course for 10 years prior to the American Revolution. If there is not a satisfactory resolution to their grievance the next step is public display and civil disobedience. The Boston Tea Party, and the demonstrations of the '60s and '70s are prime examples of this. If these two steps fail to produce the desired result then the final step will occur, open rebellion. An open rebellion with armed conflict between the governed and the governing power

Does it have to be this way? No. History shows us that where the governing power recognizes the grievance of the governed, and amends it's action, the rebellion does not have to occur. The Magna Carta Libertaturn is an example of this kind of result. Do I believe that the present government of the United States will recognize the grievance of it's people? No.

So I ask, are these people blowhards and crazies, or are they simply following a historical path?


TW

allow me to make a clear statement. scream to the top of your lungs. you will not be heard. march as much as you want, you will not be seen. vote for someone that can win and you will change history. thats what has happened, good or bad. thats what must happen in the next election to correct everything that bush and obama has done.

[ImaPK]

dawgs said

allow me to make a clear statement. scream to the top of your lungs. you will not be heard. march as much as you want, you will not be seen.

That's what people were saying prior to the Democratic National Convention in Chicago in 1968. That more then anything CHANGED who was elected. People were screaming at the top of their lungs, people were marching PRIOR to the Convention and they were ignored. BUT when Daley's "thugs" started beating these people on NATIONAL TELEVISION then America rose up and spoke with one accord. TW is right, there is a progression in this. Will it take the government calling out the troops again to put down the "rebellion"(look up Kent State) or will Washington learn from history? Sadly I don't think Washington cares about history.

[TW]

allow me to make a clear statement. scream to the top of your lungs. you will not be heard. march as much as you want, you will not be seen. vote for someone that can win and you will change history. thats what has happened, good or bad. thats what must happen in the next election to correct everything that bush and obama has done.

Dawgs, I understand your statement, I can see where you are coming from in making it. I just don't happen to believe that it's a true statement. In many cases you are correct, there are historical events where the governing power ignored the voice of the populace, and in all those cases revolt eventually occurred. There are however many historical cases in which the governing power, however reluctantly, heard and complied with the voice of the people. The primary motivation for any politician is doing whatever it takes to stay in office or to advance to a higher office. When the voice of the people becomes loud enough, and public enough, they will respond. They will hear, they will see, they will respond. Yes, you can change history at the ballot box, at least change the future, but you can also change it without waiting for "the next election." How far down the road do we have to go before we have gone too far? Turn around now, not in two years.


TW