Palin, Beck and Limbaugh

[dawgs10]

none of that means i plan to bow at the feet of the tea party or support any thing that would hurt those that are retired and stuggling to secure my future or my childrens. those that want to work but cant. so dont cuddle up to close unless your willing to admit that the tea party hasnt said much that would make those people feel good about anything.

I have never been to a Tea Party Rally, and, from what I have seen on TV there was a pretty diverse crowd with a variety of issues... anti-Obama, anti-Tax, Pro-Border Enforcement, Pro-Flat-Tax, and a few of the kind of crazies that show up at any public protest (and some pentecostal churches).

The common element I saw was people in terror of what the nation they love is becoming. I earned the right, as a Vietnam Vet, to say I did not put on a uniform and serve in the struggle against socialism and communism just to sit by and see us surrender the country to those ideologies one notch at a time.

I would say what you see is about right. many are very scared and are voting that way. all i am saying is maybe we should put the brakes on and really think about the people we are supporting. and yes you did earn the right as a Vietnam Vet to say what you are saying. i dont think things should be given away to people that dont deserve them. but i do think we should take care of those that we can take care of. and you do to. i just take it a step beyond that and say but if people will not give and help in a country that has been so good to so many than they should not be treated they same as others. they should get out or grow up.

[MacUser]

trust me on this one mac you have no idea what your talking about and have stepped over the line.... i respect Pastor Gary. I cant say the same about you.

Brother, I have done nothing but reflect the ideals you put forth, propose, eluded to, accused here and reflect them back at you in nearly your own words. If this makes you upset or crossing lines.. then again examine where they originated from. You. This isn't left or right. It's from your heart.

In General.. I've seen proud providing blessed men quit self made, great job positions due to a call of God on their lives.. and it gets mistakenly interpreted as a call to pastoral ministry via religious influence and after a while they become bitter, angry, accuse others and doubt God when they simply are trying to give him something that He did not request of them. These men were incredible providers and God simply wanted them to bless others in a NEW manner like David did... and draw them into a deeper understanding of him and His Goodness.

Listen to those previous words. I pray nothing but the absolute best on you and your family and new ministry.

[dawgs10]

trust me on this one mac you have no idea what your talking about and have stepped over the line.... i respect Pastor Gary. I cant say the same about you.

Brother, I have done nothing but reflect the ideals you put forth, propose, eluded to, accused here and reflect them back at you in nearly your own words. If this makes you upset or crossing lines.. then again examine where they originated from. You. This isn't left or right. It's from your heart.

In General.. I've seen proud providing blessed men quit self made, great job positions due to a call of God on their lives.. and it gets mistakenly interpreted as a call to pastoral ministry via religious influence and after a while they become bitter, angry, accuse others and doubt God when they simply are trying to give him something that He did not request of them. These men were incredible providers and God simply wanted them to bless others in a NEW manner like David did... and draw them into a deeper understanding of him and His Goodness.

Listen to those previous words. I pray nothing but the absolute best on you and your family and new ministry.

thats not the case. i am operating in the ministry i was born for. i am not bitter or angry. i will never vote party lines because of the fact i am a Christian. i dont have to be a conservative or a liberal. i can be a common sense guy that knows when to help people and when not to. i think if you will not give and help people in a country that has allowed so many to be so wealthy then get out. i am where i am suppose to be. i am being blessed for it. i have never wanted for anything. i still donate and pay tithes and work hard to help others. and i still have money left over. (because of Gods provision).

[MacUser]

i can be a common sense guy that knows when to help people and when not to.

Amen. This we can agree on. You have really shown growth from the radical views you first espoused. These reflective discussions have really done you good.

Remember to always apply this luxury you've allowed for yourself to everyone else.

[dawgs10]

i can be a common sense guy that knows when to help people and when not to.

Amen. This we can agree on. You have really shown growth from the radical views you first espoused. These reflective discussions have really done you good.

Remember to always apply this luxury you've allowed for yourself to everyone else.

i have not changed one view about the gov. or church.

[TW]

dawgs,
Would you be kind enough to list the things that you think the government is responsible for? Please do not omit anything that you feel is the governments job. And no, I'm not trying to bait you with this, I really would like to know.


TW

[dawgs10]

dawgs,
Would you be kind enough to list the things that you think the government is responsible for? Please do not omit anything that you feel is the governments job. And no, I'm not trying to bait you with this, I really would like to know.


TW

people come first. if you cant work the gov. should help. i think the gov. should be responsible not only for spending money wisely to those that claim not to be able to work but the gov. should reform the way companies do business in that they are not taking avantage of anyone. terming someone should be made very hard. there should be long term unemployment payments for those termed without proper documentation in every state. this money should come 100% from the company and not the gov. gov. should control the way companies move jobs out of the country. if you use this country to get rich you should not be able to abanden it to get richer. i do not think state rights should be placed over The UNITED in United States of America. i am for the Patriot Act, and a strong defense. but that does not mean i am for control of countries that effect our oil supply. i am for drilling for oil here. i would rather walk on oil platforms all the way to South America than make middle east countries richer. i am out of time but i will add to this later.

[MacUser]

i have not changed one view about the gov. or church.

So you still agree with your previous points?

So... What we know about Dawgs personal vendetta briefly from this thread ( I'm sure I missed some.. so help me out - ok?) :

_ BIG #1 Americans can't survive with Govt. Checks
_ The Church doesn't have $$$ Money so it can't help anybody.

_ US Constitution is a Racist Document and/or Fosters Racism.
_ US Medical System is "Light Years" away from other countries
_ US Spends Money on WORLD DOMINATION
_ US Corporations are Unjust, Unfair, and Racists


On Grass Roots Tea Party Movement:

_ Tea Party doesn't give Free STUFF for votes. Thus it will fail.
_ Tea Party is basically Racists ( not all.. but most because no free stuff).
_ Tea Party speaks in "Code Words" of Racism.
_ Tea Party as a whole.. spits on people and calls them names.
_ Tea Party is heartless & throws entire families to the cold ( via tax stance - because able body people can't survive without Govt Checks ).

On Individual Stance:

_ He is a "compassionate conservative" ( Bush Term?) that translates he will not vote for an individual that has has real business experience. Example: Ebay, HP etc. Because he is looking for the individual that hands out FREE stuff for his vote.

_ Dawgs doesn't worry about the future. Takes care of today even at the literal expense $$$$ of the smallest and unborn. Remember he would rather connect his wagon to a Democrat that votes for late term abortion rather than to the evil Tea Party ( Liberty, Limited Govt, Economic Freedom - all secret "code words") which is about responsible government of the people living within it's means just as average ordinary working American's do.

How does this match up with common sense or not appear angry or bitter? Again.. just reflecting back your beliefs.

[dawgs10]

i have not changed one view about the gov. or church.

So you still agree with your previous points?

So... What we know about Dawgs personal vendetta briefly from this thread ( I'm sure I missed some.. so help me out - ok?) :

_ BIG #1 Americans can't survive with Govt. Checks
_ The Church doesn't have $$$ Money so it can't help anybody.

_ US Constitution is a Racist Document and/or Fosters Racism.
_ US Medical System is "Light Years" away from other countries
_ US Spends Money on WORLD DOMINATION
_ US Corporations are Unjust, Unfair, and Racists


On Grass Roots Tea Party Movement:

_ Tea Party doesn't give Free STUFF for votes. Thus it will fail.
_ Tea Party is basically Racists ( not all.. but most because no free stuff).
_ Tea Party speaks in "Code Words" of Racism.
_ Tea Party as a whole.. spits on people and calls them names.
_ Tea Party is heartless & throws entire families to the cold ( via tax stance - because able body people can't survive without Govt Checks ).

On Individual Stance:

_ He is a "compassionate conservative" ( Bush Term?) that translates he will not vote for an individual that has has real business experience. Example: Ebay, HP etc. Because he is looking for the individual that hands out FREE stuff for his vote.

_ Dawgs doesn't worry about the future. Takes care of today even at the literal expense $$$$ of the smallest and unborn. Remember he would rather connect his wagon to a Democrat that votes for late term abortion rather than to the evil Tea Party ( Liberty, Limited Govt, Economic Freedom - all secret "code words") which is about responsible government of the people living within it's means just as average ordinary working American's do.

How does this match up with common sense or not appear angry or bitter? Again.. just reflecting back your beliefs.

mac, i gave many sound bites and articles proving and backing up my claims about the tea party. it seems to me that everything above is your take on what i said and not what i said. your opinion.

[TC]

Not sure how this got from Rush and Beck to people being living off the Gov.

WELL I am 45 (soon to be 46) never been on unemployment in my life until last OCT. While it bothers me and I hate to take the money and I would rather have a good job. I don't so I use that money to survive until I get something that can do more than pay the bills.

I have been offered two jobs but both it would kill me on the inside to have to do it. Both were with Debt Collection agencies. I could not look at my self in the mirror if I had.

While I am hoping to get off unemployment soon, I am not going to take a job that will only cause me to struggle and take all my time which would stop me from finding the job that would be best for me.

ON RUSH.... OK Rush I like most of what he says, I disagree with him some but he is a very smart man

On Beck, he is a very smart person and he has alot of smart people around him. He has good producers on the show and he is a very prepared person, he knows his facts. At the same time he has seen that his Chalk board and his humor get on the main streams nerves so I think he pushes it and does it more to goad them.

[Full Quiver]

Isn't "unemployment" an insurance policy that businesses pay into?

[thatonegirl]

Isn't "unemployment" an insurance policy that businesses pay into?

Yes. it is. and actually here is how it works:

If you work for the A team and are terminated for some reason (i'm not sure on criteria and i think it varies from state to state) for sake of argument - you were laid off.

You will be paid unemployment. Part (or maybe all) of your unemployment benefits are paid by the A Team. but I think most companies actually have unemployment insurance that they pay into then if you are laid off the insurance plan pays out to the state, who pays you.

[dolfan]

Yup, and every time an employee gets fired for not doing their job and then files for unemployment and lies about why they lost the job, you have to either take time out of your already busy schedule for at least two telephone hearings to explain everything the employee did to get fired OR let them just go ahead and collect which drives up your premiums the following year when your risk rating gets reassessed by the state department of industrial relations.

So, yeah, it's all just wine and roses.

[one love]

Yup, and every time an employee gets fired for not doing their job and then files for unemployment and lies about why they lost the job, you have to either take time out of your already busy schedule for at least two telephone hearings to explain everything the employee did to get fired OR let them just go ahead and collect which drives up your premiums the following year when your risk rating gets reassessed by the state department of industrial relations.

So, yeah, it's all just wine and roses.

wow it is refreshing to see a TRUE business owners perspective, one that surely has done this many times as I did. I am almost happy I am not a business owner right now, sadly the gov. is just making it to hard. I have watched 2 more companies go out of business in one city that were buyers from me. so since one is filing bank. all the money he owes, I pay my commission back. I dont blame them, I blame the system that has allowed illegal workers to flood NC and make it impossible to compete and the tax rate...
a little over a month ago my families business the one ( my third co.) i left 2 years ago had to shut down. TAXES
If people only knew....
I thankfully start my new territory in richmond va tomorrow, i am excited about that and thankful I made it through the buy out.

[MacUser]

Given the recent tides in elections and the tea party impact .... Influential? You bet.

Scooter,
On electability... Sara Palin has become something much bigger than just herself as you can clearly see from her recent video.

Fantastic Stuff. Watch on Youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsUVL6ci ... r_embedded