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Postby Full Quiver » October 27th, 2010, 2:09 am

its a required minimum starting point.


Since it's a "requirement" then what happens if one doesn't tithe?

Is there any interest on unpaid or late tithes?
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Postby RamboPreacher » October 27th, 2010, 4:38 am

there is no thou shalt tithe command.

but there is a thread from Genesis THROUGH the NT that is a positive teaching about it in giving.
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Postby dawgs10 » October 27th, 2010, 5:30 am

RamboPreacher wrote:there is no thou shalt tithe command.

but there is a thread from Genesis THROUGH the NT that is a positive teaching about it in giving.


why do we need a command to do whats right. see, this within itself is a lesson in grace. i dont have to be commanded to do right because of relationship not religion. but grace and relationship does not give me the right to ignore what is right. thats what matthew 23:23 is saying. woe unto you, scribes and pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: now here comes the teaching moment, wait for it!!!! THESE OUGHT YE TO HAVE DONE, AND NOT TO LEAVE THE OTHER UNDONE. in other words do both. do it the right way with the right intentions.

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Postby lance82 » October 27th, 2010, 6:57 am

Full Quiver wrote:
its a required minimum starting point.


Since it's a "requirement" then what happens if one doesn't tithe?

Is there any interest on unpaid or late tithes?


Dawgs10,
Did you miss these questions? What say ye?

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Postby Pastor Bill » October 27th, 2010, 7:13 am

lance82 wrote:
Full Quiver wrote:
its a required minimum starting point.


Since it's a "requirement" then what happens if one doesn't tithe?

Is there any interest on unpaid or late tithes?


Dawgs10,
Did you miss these questions? What say ye?


Actually we've all answered this from the beginning, we aren't taking a legalistic approach to tithing, so this question is ridiculous.

If you feel God leading you to pay interest, then go ahead, otherwise just move forward and be faithful.
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Postby lance82 » October 27th, 2010, 8:18 am

Pastor Bill wrote:
lance82 wrote:
Full Quiver wrote:
its a required minimum starting point.


Since it's a "requirement" then what happens if one doesn't tithe?

Is there any interest on unpaid or late tithes?


Dawgs10,
Did you miss these questions? What say ye?


Actually we've all answered this from the beginning, we aren't taking a legalistic approach to tithing, so this question is ridiculous.

If you feel God leading you to pay interest, then go ahead, otherwise just move forward and be faithful.


I know that is what you believe. I'm just interested in what Dawgs10 believes are the consequence of not paying 10% since he stated that it was the "required minimum". That, brother, is a legalistic approach.
The question stands.

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Postby dawgs10 » October 28th, 2010, 2:16 am

lance82 wrote:
Pastor Bill wrote:
lance82 wrote:
Full Quiver wrote:
its a required minimum starting point.


Since it's a "requirement" then what happens if one doesn't tithe?

Is there any interest on unpaid or late tithes?


Dawgs10,
Did you miss these questions? What say ye?


Actually we've all answered this from the beginning, we aren't taking a legalistic approach to tithing, so this question is ridiculous.

If you feel God leading you to pay interest, then go ahead, otherwise just move forward and be faithful.


I know that is what you believe. I'm just interested in what Dawgs10 believes are the consequence of not paying 10% since he stated that it was the "required minimum". That, brother, is a legalistic approach.
The question stands.


i think you place yourself in a position that is in conflict with what Jesus said was good.

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Postby dawgs10 » October 28th, 2010, 2:19 am

dawgs10 wrote:
RamboPreacher wrote:there is no thou shalt tithe command.

but there is a thread from Genesis THROUGH the NT that is a positive teaching about it in giving.


why do we need a command to do whats right. see, this within itself is a lesson in grace. i dont have to be commanded to do right because of relationship not religion. but grace and relationship does not give me the right to ignore what is right. thats what matthew 23:23 is saying. woe unto you, scribes and pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: now here comes the teaching moment, wait for it!!!! THESE OUGHT YE TO HAVE DONE, AND NOT TO LEAVE THE OTHER UNDONE. in other words do both. do it the right way with the right intentions.


do both!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! thats what Jesus said. i dont get. i dont get the disconnect. wow.

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Postby lance82 » October 28th, 2010, 6:33 am

dawgs10 wrote:
dawgs10 wrote:
RamboPreacher wrote:there is no thou shalt tithe command.

but there is a thread from Genesis THROUGH the NT that is a positive teaching about it in giving.


why do we need a command to do whats right. see, this within itself is a lesson in grace. i dont have to be commanded to do right because of relationship not religion. but grace and relationship does not give me the right to ignore what is right. thats what matthew 23:23 is saying. woe unto you, scribes and pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: now here comes the teaching moment, wait for it!!!! THESE OUGHT YE TO HAVE DONE, AND NOT TO LEAVE THE OTHER UNDONE. in other words do both. do it the right way with the right intentions.


do both!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! thats what Jesus said. i dont get. i dont get the disconnect. wow.


So what are the consequences of not "paying tithes"?

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Postby Pastor Bill » October 28th, 2010, 6:34 am

lance82 wrote:
dawgs10 wrote:
dawgs10 wrote:
RamboPreacher wrote:there is no thou shalt tithe command.

but there is a thread from Genesis THROUGH the NT that is a positive teaching about it in giving.


why do we need a command to do whats right. see, this within itself is a lesson in grace. i dont have to be commanded to do right because of relationship not religion. but grace and relationship does not give me the right to ignore what is right. thats what matthew 23:23 is saying. woe unto you, scribes and pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: now here comes the teaching moment, wait for it!!!! THESE OUGHT YE TO HAVE DONE, AND NOT TO LEAVE THE OTHER UNDONE. in other words do both. do it the right way with the right intentions.


do both!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! thats what Jesus said. i dont get. i dont get the disconnect. wow.


So what are the consequences of not "paying tithes"?


What are the consequences for not doing anything that God has asked? Or are there no consequences for anything?
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Postby lance82 » October 28th, 2010, 6:46 am

Pastor Bill wrote:
lance82 wrote:
dawgs10 wrote:
dawgs10 wrote:
RamboPreacher wrote:there is no thou shalt tithe command.

but there is a thread from Genesis THROUGH the NT that is a positive teaching about it in giving.


why do we need a command to do whats right. see, this within itself is a lesson in grace. i dont have to be commanded to do right because of relationship not religion. but grace and relationship does not give me the right to ignore what is right. thats what matthew 23:23 is saying. woe unto you, scribes and pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: now here comes the teaching moment, wait for it!!!! THESE OUGHT YE TO HAVE DONE, AND NOT TO LEAVE THE OTHER UNDONE. in other words do both. do it the right way with the right intentions.


do both!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! thats what Jesus said. i dont get. i dont get the disconnect. wow.


So what are the consequences of not "paying tithes"?


What are the consequences for not doing anything that God has asked? Or are there no consequences for anything?


You guys are killin' me here!! What is the answer to the question? If Dawgs says it is a "requirement", what happens to people who don't do it? What would you tell a member or attendee in your church ?

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Postby scooter » October 28th, 2010, 7:34 am

lance82 wrote:
You guys are killin' me here!! What is the answer to the question? If Dawgs says it is a "requirement", what happens to people who don't do it? What would you tell a member or attendee in your church ?


Response: It really depends on the individual situation of the heart.

Are you talking about someone who doesn't tithe but does give cheerfully and freely?

Are you talking about someone who doesn't tithe but gives sparingly?

Are you talking about someone who doesn't tithe and doesn't give at all?

Take your pick.
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Postby lance82 » October 28th, 2010, 7:59 am

It really depends on the individual situation of the heart.

Are you talking about someone who doesn't tithe but does give cheerfully and freely?

Are you talking about someone who doesn't tithe but gives sparingly?

Are you talking about someone who doesn't tithe and doesn't give at all?

Take your pick.


I'm really just replying to Dawgs comment that 10% is a "required minimum". If so what does he believe is the consequence for not hitting the minimum. According to a "required minimum" it wouldn't matter why you didn't do it. Waiting to here that from him I guess.

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Postby scooter » October 28th, 2010, 8:10 am

lance82 wrote:
It really depends on the individual situation of the heart.

Are you talking about someone who doesn't tithe but does give cheerfully and freely?

Are you talking about someone who doesn't tithe but gives sparingly?

Are you talking about someone who doesn't tithe and doesn't give at all?

Take your pick.


I'm really just replying to Dawgs comment that 10% is a "required minimum". If so what does he believe is the consequence for not hitting the minimum. According to a "required minimum" it wouldn't matter why you didn't do it. Waiting to here that from him I guess.


Response: That's why I dropped out, too many opinions, the NT says that if one sows sparingly he will also reap sparingly. That is a direct result of performance.

We know that the love of money is the root of all evil so I would say it would depend on the specific heart and situation.

Can someone "not afford" to tithe, because they can't feed their family or because of the lusts of things.

Are they lying to the Holy Ghost? :shock:

Or are they disabled and poor?

See what I mean.

The Bible says even poor people can give, so...

Hey I'm just talking through it with you.
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Postby Pastor Bill » October 28th, 2010, 10:04 am

lance82 wrote:
Pastor Bill wrote:
lance82 wrote:
dawgs10 wrote:
dawgs10 wrote:
RamboPreacher wrote:there is no thou shalt tithe command.

but there is a thread from Genesis THROUGH the NT that is a positive teaching about it in giving.


why do we need a command to do whats right. see, this within itself is a lesson in grace. i dont have to be commanded to do right because of relationship not religion. but grace and relationship does not give me the right to ignore what is right. thats what matthew 23:23 is saying. woe unto you, scribes and pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: now here comes the teaching moment, wait for it!!!! THESE OUGHT YE TO HAVE DONE, AND NOT TO LEAVE THE OTHER UNDONE. in other words do both. do it the right way with the right intentions.


do both!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! thats what Jesus said. i dont get. i dont get the disconnect. wow.


So what are the consequences of not "paying tithes"?


What are the consequences for not doing anything that God has asked? Or are there no consequences for anything?


You guys are killin' me here!! What is the answer to the question? If Dawgs says it is a "requirement", what happens to people who don't do it? What would you tell a member or attendee in your church ?


I believe I've answered that multiple times, will you answer this one that I just asked?

But just to satisfy you AGAIN...I would explain to them that tithing is a standard of giving God has provided, trusting God's wisdom in this and giving Him control in your finances will be a blessing.

Now back to the question I asked you, since you seem to want to focus on consequences...What are the consequences for not doing anything that God has asked? Or are there no consequences for anything?
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