The MYTH and ERROR of An Unconditional Promise

[Gerald]

Gen 17:9 And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations.
Gen 17:10 This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.
Gen 17:11 And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.
Gen 17:12 And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.
Gen 17:13 He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.
Gen 17:14 And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.



That's what is called a condition folks. Some have said on here the promise was unconditional, SHOWING their plain IGNORANCE.


Now my question to you:

I'm still a holy blessed Jew if I cut skin off my Penis at Gods direction but ignore his Son who was a higher direction?

HOW can one be blessed fulfilling the lesser things of the law and ignoring the fulfullment of the law??

How does that work exactly?

[oletimer]

circumcisum was a blood let to the covenant between God and Israel. When Jesus came He became a better covenant, his blood purer, better priest, and the list go on. Oh yes eternal, but then I don't have to tell you any of this as I believe you already know this. As far as salvation goes this verse will cover it.
Col 3:11
Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

Ge 12:3
And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

Which side do you want to be on? As for me I'll stand with Israel. so much that is needed to cover all of this that it would take a while to do it.

[Gerald]

Ge 12:3
And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

Which side do you want to be on? As for me I'll stand with Israel. so much that is needed to cover all of this that it would take a while to do it.

You quote a scripture to ABRAHAM and apply it to Israel.

You have the fulfillment of the promise to ABrahams SEED IN CHRIST and hold that CHrist was inadequate and it is Fulfilled Jewish people.

[oletimer]

Gerald who might Israel be the children of? come on Gerald you can do better. Even though the "seed" was/is Christ, it was thur Abraham's lineage that Jesus came (seed), but the Jewish race is helt special with God. For instance the covenant that God made with the children in the wilderness and the list goes on.

[Full Quiver]

God made a promise to Abraham that he would be the father of many nations. He fulfilled that through both Isaac and Christ. Those that blessed Abraham were blessed and those that cursed Abraham were cursed. The blessing and cursing promise didn't apply to his seed in my opinion.

If God makes a deal with me specifically that doesn't mean my great grandchildren will get in on that deal.

[scooter]

The MYTH and ERROR of An Unconditional Promise

Response: I'm sorry I thought this thread was going to be about Baptist.

[Gerald]

Gerald who might Israel be the children of? come on Gerald you can do better. Even though the "seed" was/is Christ, it was thur Abraham's lineage that Jesus came (seed), but the Jewish race is helt special with God. For instance the covenant that God made with the children in the wilderness and the list goes on.

I can NOT do Better because Hebrews said it was NOT the seed of many.

YOU tell me it WAS the seed of many AND CHrist, which contradicts Hebrews which said it was NOT.

SO who am I to believe? An Oldtimer? Or Hebrews?

Presonally, I will choose Hebrews and scratch my head.....I SAID I WILL SCRATCH MY HEAD at why Oldtimer dosen't believe Hebrews when it says that it is NOT.

[oletimer]

Gerald do you not understand any thing in the bible. What was the lineage of Christ thru both Joesph and Marry, both went back to David and then on back to Abraham.

I several places God spoked of being married to Israel. Israel was call the Church in the Wildreness, God called her His people and so on.

Israel like the gentiles will have to go thru the Blood of Christ to go to heaven, The deal of the hundred and forty-four thousand I really don't know the details but believe that God has a plan already on the books. But not for me to worry about as I come under the Gentile and the Blood of Christ. The early Church membership was made up mostly Jews, go figure. A god bit of Romans, Corinthains, and Galatains was writen in responce to the Jew trouble with the Law in relationship with Christ.

When the bible says; Ro 14:11
For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
Ro 14:12
So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

Thats YOU and me, Jew and gentile, So because they are Jews and don't want to believe in Christ doesn't give them a free pass over anyone.

I can NOT do Better because Hebrews said it was NOT the seed of many.

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That quote came from Galatains

Ga 3:16Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Heb 11:18
Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called: Hebrews did reconizes that the seed come thru his children. Even to the point of going all the way back to Adam himself.

Gerald please don't twist what I say. Thanks

[Paully_44]

The MYTH and ERROR of An Unconditional Promise

Response: I'm sorry I thought this thread was going to be about Baptist.

hey, I resemble that...

[one love]

Is anyone implying a jew can go to heaven just on the basis of him being Jewish ????????
Answer that for me before I go further .
Thanks

Gerald with you back I get excited to come back as well!!!

[Gerald]

Is anyone implying a jew can go to heaven just on the basis of him being Jewish ????????
Answer that for me before I go further .
Thanks

Ask that question to Perry Stone or John Hagee.

ANd I have asked that as well: HOW are they the BLESSED of God if that BLESSING does not address their SALVATION?

I, who posses salvation by CHrist am BLESSED.
THOSE without salvation ARE NOT BLESSED.

WHAT THEN CONTITUTES THE BLESSING OF THE JEWS?????

Gerald with you back I get excited to come back as well!!!

SHHHH Onelove, You're making a certain Bishop's blood pressure spike.

[Full Quiver]

Jesus said that He is the way, the truth, & the light and that NO ONE comes to the Father any other way but through Him. No one would include 144,000 JEWS. Dieing for God is worthless if you aren't "saved". Works will never get you to heaven.

[Gerald]

Jesus said that He is the way, the truth, & the light and that NO ONE comes to the Father any other way but through Him. No one would include 144,000 JEWS. Dieing for God is worthless if you aren't "saved". Works will never get you to heaven.

You are correct.

Just as worshipping in a Newly Constructed temple built in open defiance of the sacrifice of Christ will be as Holy as Billy Grahms Port-a-potty.