Pastors And Tithes

rough_rider · Postby **rough_rider** » August 31st, 2004, 3:36 pm

Pastors how do you pay your Tithes? (from the tithes you receive)

ImaPK · Postby **ImaPK** » August 31st, 2004, 3:38 pm

Oh this ought to be good :wink:

Little Sister · Postby **Little Sister** » August 31st, 2004, 4:09 pm

ImaPK wrote:Oh this ought to be good

Yeah, it's SO good that about a half an hour has passed by and about 22 people have viewed it but only you and I have responded to it and we're just being silly... as usual!!!

Postby **Shellie** » August 31st, 2004, 4:13 pm

Well, I voted even though I am not a pastor. I am a pastor's wife though and I do tithe.

We tithe on gross. I don't want Uncle Sam to get his before the Lord does.

ImaPK · Postby **ImaPK** » August 31st, 2004, 4:18 pm

Them thar preachers sure er a quiet bunch when it comes to them thar money matters :wink:

...except when it comes to them thar offering plates :lol:

...then it's "Bro.So and So ask the blessing on this offering" and have the pianer player play sumpen lively :wink:

Gerald Creasy · Postby **Gerald Creasy** » August 31st, 2004, 4:23 pm

I dont know how it is for other preachers and their families, but coming from one family that had to scrimp and save on the meager income the church gave them, it was almost ludicrous to expect them to give back 10% of squat.

Little Sister · Postby **Little Sister** » August 31st, 2004, 4:57 pm

MUMBLES-RAY wrote:I dont pastor anymore but I always paid on the gross without taking out expense first.

Me thinks me smells the reincarnation of THE RaZeR....

If I'm wrong... just ignore me "Mumbles-Ray"...

Little Sister · Postby **Little Sister** » August 31st, 2004, 5:22 pm

MUMBLES-RAY wrote:
Little Sister wrote:
MUMBLES-RAY wrote:I dont pastor anymore but I always paid on the gross without taking out expense first.

Me thinks me smells the reincarnation of THE RaZeR....

If I'm wrong... just ignore me "Mumbles-Ray"...

No I am not the razor....but I have eaten dinner with you before....and a few others here too

Uuuuhhh... It must've been at a place that served "spirits" because you don't look familiar to me!! :oops:

Seriously... when do you think you ate dinner with me? :-k

Must've been that evil twin sister again...

Little Sister · Postby **Little Sister** » August 31st, 2004, 5:32 pm

In louisville at the GA.....I must not be much if you cant remember a mug like mine

Whaaa??? I only attended the Jude2 "late-night" dinner at Jerry's... grant it some people wandered in late that I MAY have missed but I surely don't remember you... this is driving me nuts! I'm gonna have to go look through the pictures my husband took.

Are you sure it was me?? Where you at Jerry's? Did we say anything to eachother???

I hate this... #-o

I try to go see the Passion of Christ and there's this woman like 6 people down, hollerin' "Tray-vera!... Tray-vera!" and we went through the MOST embarrassing ordeal of me trying to remember who she was... she claims we worked together (for one day) and I trained on her something!!! She surely remembered me but I NEVER could place her even after she told me her name!!! :oops:

It was absolutely horrible.. BUT, I've been at my workplace since 96 and I guess I could've forgot... but I'd hate to think I'm THAT addled already!!!! :roll:

jdavis · Postby **jdavis** » August 31st, 2004, 5:40 pm

Sometimes I take expenses, only ministry related though. Most of the time I pay off the gross. I don't however pay on the rental value of my parsonage. Years ago at BTI, Leonard Kendrick said that we should but I never got the vision for that. :roll:

jdavis

Little Sister · Postby **Little Sister** » August 31st, 2004, 5:59 pm

No I didnt go to jerrys But i was at a mexican restaurant when the jude 2 family came to eat after service one day I thot you were there ...I coulda sworn I seen Gerald but I may be mistaken....but someone had a shirt on with his avatar and ate with Pg...And Shellie I cant remeber any more but I recognized their pictures

Ah-ha!!! (I'm not senile!!! $\:D/$ )
That's why I can't remember you!! I've never met you!! I didn't attend that Mexican lunch because I was at home sleeping (that week was my vacation and I was catching up!) FYI: Gerald was there... but we're not connected at the hip like siamese twins... (at least until we had that radical new surgery!!!) :wink:

Postby **Pastor Gary** » August 31st, 2004, 7:01 pm

I know there are arguments both ways, but the way our accountant explained it was "If you had a dental practice as a sole practioner, would you pay on the gross? Before office rent and salaries? Before all the X-ray film and nitrous-oxide was bought? No, you'd pay on what you got after all the overhead was paid. Ministry expenses are different, but the same principle applies... Gas to visit hospitals (even the total expense of a vehicle used only for ministry) study books, cell phones, etc. are the "tools of the trade" without which you can almost not minister at all. They are NOT part of your income, they are a cost of doing business."

She specializes in churches and ministry accounting.

pastorables · Postby **pastorables** » August 31st, 2004, 7:47 pm

I stand to be corrected, but I am almost positive I read that Rick Warren tithes 90% and lives off of 10% due to the huge amount of tithes involved, etc... If this is true, I truly respect his integrity.

pastorables

Gerald Creasy · Postby **Gerald Creasy** » September 1st, 2004, 2:23 am

MUMBLES-RAY wrote: But i was at a mexican restaurant when the jude 2 family came to eat after service one day I thot you were there ...I coulda sworn I seen Gerald but I may be mistaken....but someone had a shirt on with his avatar and ate with Pg...And Shellie I cant remeber any more but I recognized their pictures

Yes, I was there and sat across from J Davis and Pastor Gary. Lil Sis was not.

I just looked at the photos of all that was in the group.

You lurked at the Mexican Restaurant, didnt you!?

AndyG · Postby **AndyG** » September 1st, 2004, 2:51 am

When I pastored, I felt lead to pay on the gross of all my earnings, not just those in the ministry. (I was bi-vocational out of necessity)

I discussed this with a fellow pastor and was told me I was nuts. He outlined some of the same thing PG's accountant said and basicly told me overpaying was "ridiculous."

I let him convince me to the point I did as he said and not as I was lead (young and mush-headed as I was). I now regret not doing as I was lead and it makes me wonder what woulda, coulda, shoulda been.

After leaving the pastorate and going into a truer teaching ministry at the Winston church, I taught a lesson series on stewardship (btw money was only one part of one lesson out of a series of 5 total lessons)

During those lessons, both my wife and myself were convicted separately and when we compared notes, we both knew what we should do. It has been tough at times, but we went back to paying on the gross and actually have increased it at times when we have been increased for special things, bonuses, etc. We even tithe out tax refund even though technically it has already been paid on once.

In my mind, if I owned a business, I would do the same. God has blessed and allowed me to have what I have. If He decides to remove it (and on occasion He has), He is STILL God. (Thank you for a valuable lesson, Job) To me, if He is God, why should I not give him of the First that I have instead of the leftovers.

I am not saying everyone should do as my family, on the contrary, I am saying follow God's lead and do what HE tells you, not the latest stewardship teacher.

Jude 2