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irthnvesl wrote:Gerald Creasy wrote:A person who claims to love and denies Christ is a liar and a fool.
I've never once heard Tim deny that Jesus died and rose from the dead.
irthnvesl wrote:Ok. Tim, do you believe that Jesus Christ died and rose from the dead?
Tim Elston wrote:irthnvesl wrote:Ok. Tim, do you believe that Jesus Christ died and rose from the dead?
No, I don't, Russell. I guess that's the all important reason to make me live the rest of my life as an outcast among friends, isn't it? The irony of love.
crispfin wrote:If one truly wants to show Jesus to someone, then they should strive to do it at all times and in all ways. It is quite easy to tell someone "Jesus loves them". It's even easier to threaten them with hellfire and promises of divine retribution and have smug pride over one's own rightness. What's hard is to show kindness even when you disagree with the person or they are rude. It's hard because it demands something from us. It demands we swallow anger and pride, and it's not easy. I don't know Tim or irthn personally, and I may not agree with them on things, but I feel I must show them love and respect as people made in God's image, who I, if I profess to follow Christ, have been called to be a brother and a servant to.
scooter wrote:crispfin wrote:If one truly wants to show Jesus to someone, then they should strive to do it at all times and in all ways. It is quite easy to tell someone "Jesus loves them". It's even easier to threaten them with hellfire and promises of divine retribution and have smug pride over one's own rightness. What's hard is to show kindness even when you disagree with the person or they are rude. It's hard because it demands something from us. It demands we swallow anger and pride, and it's not easy. I don't know Tim or irthn personally, and I may not agree with them on things, but I feel I must show them love and respect as people made in God's image, who I, if I profess to follow Christ, have been called to be a brother and a servant to.
Response: You tell em, even if it goes against the word of God.
crispfin wrote:If one truly wants to show Jesus to someone, then they should strive to do it at all times and in all ways. It is quite easy to tell someone "Jesus loves them". It's even easier to threaten them with hellfire and promises of divine retribution and have smug pride over one's own rightness. What's hard is to show kindness even when you disagree with the person or they are rude. It's hard because it demands something from us. It demands we swallow anger and pride, and it's not easy. I don't know Tim or irthn personally, and I may not agree with them on things, but I feel I must show them love and respect as people made in God's image, who I, if I profess to follow Christ, have been called to be a brother and a servant to.
valley wrote:crispfin wrote:If one truly wants to show Jesus to someone, then they should strive to do it at all times and in all ways. It is quite easy to tell someone "Jesus loves them". It's even easier to threaten them with hellfire and promises of divine retribution and have smug pride over one's own rightness. What's hard is to show kindness even when you disagree with the person or they are rude. It's hard because it demands something from us. It demands we swallow anger and pride, and it's not easy. I don't know Tim or irthn personally, and I may not agree with them on things, but I feel I must show them love and respect as people made in God's image, who I, if I profess to follow Christ, have been called to be a brother and a servant to.
I like this. It reminds me of a bumper sticker on the back of a van the other day. "God wants spiritual fruit nor religious nuts."
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