Irthnvesl's complaint about dave c's devotional

Russell Roberts · Postby **Russell Roberts** » December 16th, 2008, 4:29 am

Ok. Tim, do you believe that Jesus Christ died and rose from the dead?

scooter · Postby **scooter** » December 16th, 2008, 4:31 am

irthnvesl wrote:
Gerald Creasy wrote:A person who claims to love and denies Christ is a liar and a fool.

I've never once heard Tim deny that Jesus died and rose from the dead.

Response: That's part of the problem here. We have a rich history here.

We have history with Tim that you may not. Sorry if you're caught up in it.

Get to know some people before you make off the cuff judgments.

scooter · Postby **scooter** » December 16th, 2008, 4:34 am

irthnvesl wrote:Ok. Tim, do you believe that Jesus Christ died and rose from the dead?

Response: As historical fact or as spiritually significant?

Russell Roberts · Postby **Russell Roberts** » December 16th, 2008, 4:44 am

Was that a further qualification to my question?

scooter · Postby **scooter** » December 16th, 2008, 4:48 am

irthnvesl wrote:Was that a further qualification to my question?

Response: Yes, in an attempt to minimize an illusive answer which may give a false impression.

Russell Roberts · Postby **Russell Roberts** » December 16th, 2008, 4:49 am

Thanks for the clarification.

scooter · Postby **scooter** » December 16th, 2008, 4:52 am

irthnvesl wrote:Thanks for the clarification.

Response: Careful or you'll give the impression of being civil to the hypocrite. :shock:

Tim Elston · Postby **Tim Elston** » December 16th, 2008, 5:42 am

irthnvesl wrote:Ok. Tim, do you believe that Jesus Christ died and rose from the dead?

No, I don't, Russell. I guess that's the all important reason to make me live the rest of my life as an outcast among friends, isn't it? The irony of love.

Russell Roberts · Postby **Russell Roberts** » December 16th, 2008, 5:47 am

Tim Elston wrote:
irthnvesl wrote:Ok. Tim, do you believe that Jesus Christ died and rose from the dead?

No, I don't, Russell. I guess that's the all important reason to make me live the rest of my life as an outcast among friends, isn't it? The irony of love.

Tim, one outstanding characteristic of Jesus is that he loves the outcast. Those who opposed him called him a friend of sinners as a perjorative. Your 'friends' would do well to take note and act accordingly. The cross is the epitomy of irony isn't it? Paradoxically, Jesus was the ultimate outcast.

As for me, I count you among my friends.

sweetpea · Postby **sweetpea** » December 16th, 2008, 5:57 am

Are you nuts?You are throwing away the Greatest Love known to man,when you deny that Jesus Christ died for all of our sins. He loved everyone,Praise God He evens loves me,He loves you also.

crispfin · Postby **crispfin** » December 16th, 2008, 6:14 am

If one truly wants to show Jesus to someone, then they should strive to do it at all times and in all ways. It is quite easy to tell someone "Jesus loves them". It's even easier to threaten them with hellfire and promises of divine retribution and have smug pride over one's own rightness. What's hard is to show kindness even when you disagree with the person or they are rude. It's hard because it demands something from us. It demands we swallow anger and pride, and it's not easy. I don't know Tim or irthn personally, and I may not agree with them on things, but I feel I must show them love and respect as people made in God's image, who I, if I profess to follow Christ, have been called to be a brother and a servant to.

scooter · Postby **scooter** » December 16th, 2008, 6:28 am

crispfin wrote:If one truly wants to show Jesus to someone, then they should strive to do it at all times and in all ways. It is quite easy to tell someone "Jesus loves them". It's even easier to threaten them with hellfire and promises of divine retribution and have smug pride over one's own rightness. What's hard is to show kindness even when you disagree with the person or they are rude. It's hard because it demands something from us. It demands we swallow anger and pride, and it's not easy. I don't know Tim or irthn personally, and I may not agree with them on things, but I feel I must show them love and respect as people made in God's image, who I, if I profess to follow Christ, have been called to be a brother and a servant to.

Response: You tell em, even if it goes against the word of God.

crispfin · Postby **crispfin** » December 16th, 2008, 6:43 am

scooter wrote:
crispfin wrote:If one truly wants to show Jesus to someone, then they should strive to do it at all times and in all ways. It is quite easy to tell someone "Jesus loves them". It's even easier to threaten them with hellfire and promises of divine retribution and have smug pride over one's own rightness. What's hard is to show kindness even when you disagree with the person or they are rude. It's hard because it demands something from us. It demands we swallow anger and pride, and it's not easy. I don't know Tim or irthn personally, and I may not agree with them on things, but I feel I must show them love and respect as people made in God's image, who I, if I profess to follow Christ, have been called to be a brother and a servant to.

Response: You tell em, even if it goes against the word of God.

And what word did I go against?

valley · Postby **valley** » December 16th, 2008, 6:47 am

crispfin wrote:If one truly wants to show Jesus to someone, then they should strive to do it at all times and in all ways. It is quite easy to tell someone "Jesus loves them". It's even easier to threaten them with hellfire and promises of divine retribution and have smug pride over one's own rightness. What's hard is to show kindness even when you disagree with the person or they are rude. It's hard because it demands something from us. It demands we swallow anger and pride, and it's not easy. I don't know Tim or irthn personally, and I may not agree with them on things, but I feel I must show them love and respect as people made in God's image, who I, if I profess to follow Christ, have been called to be a brother and a servant to.

I like this. It reminds me of a bumper sticker on the back of a van the other day. "God wants spiritual fruit nor religious nuts."

crispfin · Postby **crispfin** » December 16th, 2008, 6:48 am

valley wrote:
crispfin wrote:If one truly wants to show Jesus to someone, then they should strive to do it at all times and in all ways. It is quite easy to tell someone "Jesus loves them". It's even easier to threaten them with hellfire and promises of divine retribution and have smug pride over one's own rightness. What's hard is to show kindness even when you disagree with the person or they are rude. It's hard because it demands something from us. It demands we swallow anger and pride, and it's not easy. I don't know Tim or irthn personally, and I may not agree with them on things, but I feel I must show them love and respect as people made in God's image, who I, if I profess to follow Christ, have been called to be a brother and a servant to.

I like this. It reminds me of a bumper sticker on the back of a van the other day. "God wants spiritual fruit nor religious nuts."

I think I need to get that one.

Jude 2