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Tim Elston wrote:Yikes, it's like George W. Bush, Bill Clinton, George H. W. Bush, Ronald Reagan, Jimmy Carter, Gerald Ford, Richard Nixon, Lyndon Johnson, JFK, Dwight Eisenhower, Harry Truman, and FDR all over again!
Huff and puff!
one love wrote:I dont recall any to go out of there way to NOT let Jesus be seen and to tell the world "we are not a christian nation"
Tim Elston wrote:one love wrote:I dont recall any to go out of there way to NOT let Jesus be seen and to tell the world "we are not a christian nation"
I have never even heard of "IHS," much less that it represents Jesus' name. The White House requested that all Georgetown insignia be covered over, not that IHS be targeted in order to take Jesus out of anything. The speech even contained a reference to The Sermon on the Mount, named as such, and it was a legitimate use of the parable of the house built on the sand. But, of course, Obama is condemned if he does use scripture and condemned if he doesn't. These bellyaches remind me of another of Jesus' sayings: "We piped for you, and you did not dance."
Roman Catholics traditionally use “IHS” as an abbreviation for Jesus’ name. According to the Catholic Encyclopedia, “St. Ignatius of Loyola adopted the monogram in his seal as general of the Society of Jesus (1541) and thus became the emblem of his institute.” The Society of Jesus is the formal name for the Jesuits.
Gaston Hall stage as it looked on the afternoon of April 15 with "IHS" still shrouded. (Photo by Penny Starr, CNSNews.com)
Although the monogram was covered over on the wooden pediment at the back of the Gaston Hall stage where it would have been directly above and behind President Obama as he spoke, the letters “IHS” are posted elsewhere around the hall approximately 26 times on shields representing different parts of the United States and the world.
one love wrote:It was not all covered up they still appeared every where else. So the question should be was just cosmetics that he covered it up or did it happen so he was not seen in a picture with the Catholic abbreviation of Jesus? Dont know but he is placing fuel on the fire for some to think he is muslim..
Tim Elston wrote:one love wrote:It was not all covered up they still appeared every where else. So the question should be was just cosmetics that he covered it up or did it happen so he was not seen in a picture with the Catholic abbreviation of Jesus? Dont know but he is placing fuel on the fire for some to think he is muslim..
The claims that Obama is a Muslim are ridiculous, as are claims that he is a Marxist. I don't care whether he is a Muslim or not; President Bush said that Islam is an honorable faith and that America is made up of Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, etc., and he is right. There is no constitutional stipulation that the president be a Christian. But whatever being a Christian has meant for our forty-four presidents, Obama is at least Christian enough to hold company with the likes of G. W. Bush, Bill Clinton, G. H. W. Bush, Ronald Reagan, Jimmy Carter, Richard Nixon, and JFK.
I recall the recent hullabaloo about Obama trying to make himself out to be the Messiah. Remember that nonsense? Well, what would these complainers have said if Obama had delivered a speech with IHS over his head, right about in halo position?
May God save us from his best and brightest. Not you, Kevin; I mean whomever.

Brian wrote:The fact of the matter is (for me) that I simply and plainly do not like Mr. Barak Obama. Period, end of story. The are a TON of reasons why and this just happens to be just one of them. But I agree, there is a certain level of hypocracy that goes on in both parties when the other is in power.
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As a christian and someone who has a drive to defend the faith aggresively I feel I have every right to point out the shady practices of deciet and underhandness of someone who claims they are a lifelong christian but clearly does not adhear to many of the basic fundamental beliefs that the scriptures declare. Now of course I don't want to compare Obama to the devil so dont go there. but the enemies of God will sometime USE scripture and distort it to confuse or mislead people. And sometimes the enemy of God will flat out go AGAIST the word in many different forms and fashions. So for me it goes both ways, I can have a problem with Obama for using the word and distorting its message and also for not using it and trying to erase it from public sight.
Do I stack the deck against Mr. Obama? maybe....sad part is, I frankly don't care.
Brian wrote:Do I stack the deck against Mr. Obama? maybe....sad part is, I frankly don't care.
Tim Elston wrote:Brian wrote:Do I stack the deck against Mr. Obama? maybe....sad part is, I frankly don't care.
Okay, you don't care about "stacking the deck" against Obama. I hear you loud and clear: you don't care about the truth. It's more important to you to stick it to someone you don't like than to be fair to him. Wonderful testimony, Brian. Awesome light from the city set on a hill. Now, don't be surprised when the rest of us call it hypocrisy.
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